12 Things That Only The Working Poor Truly Understand


Republicans LOVE to hate the poor. They see them as inferior, lazy moochers who just bask in their poorness and enjoy all of the happiness being poor brings them. They tell America that poor people could stop being poor if they just work hard enough.

What they forget to mention when they paint this fictional portrait of happy poor people are the struggles the roughly 50 million Americans who live below the poverty line face. Normal, everyday things that cause someone with little or no money to weep in frustration.

Here are twelve struggles that only the working poor can truly understand:

12. The car maintenance struggle:

If you are poor and lucky enough to own a vehicle you know this struggle well. You pray that nothing happens to your vehicle, because you cant afford the repair fees. For instance, new tires could easily eat up an entire month of grocery money. So you make those bad boys last until they are NASCAR slick. You might slide in the rain and almost kill yourself, but at least you wont starve.





11. The dental struggle:

You wake up one morning with a throbbing, swollen face and immediately are faced with horror that you have to go to the dentist. Holy crap! You dont have dental insurance! Maybe you job doesnt offer it, so those visits are paid for out-of-pocket. Dentists are expensive. A root canal and crown can easily run $2,000. So what do you do? You hope that the leftover amoxicillin in your medicine cabinet will do the job until you save enough to have that tooth pulled. But what about the pain?! Yeah, youre screwed. Oh and if youre really unlucky, you might die from that tooth infection. Because thats not insane in the richest country in the world.

10. The sick kid struggle:

Your kid gets sick in the middle of the week and you dont even have $4 to your name. You cant afford any Childrens Motrin or any other store-bought medicine. Time to bust out that home remedy book your grandma gave you and hope things dont result in our next struggle.

9. The medical emergency struggle:

What happens if you or your child has to be hospitalized for something? Bring on the stress! Not only do you have a medical bill that would make Jesus weep, but now youve missed time at work and your employer isnt paying you for that. Theres nothing worse than focusing on the cost of a hospital visit and missed time at work while also worrying if your or your child will heal.




8. The grocery struggle:

So there was too much month at the end of your foodstamps or maybe you dont even qualify for assistance, what now? Now you get to sit down and try to figure out how you can make $30 buy food for the week. Ramen Noodles forevaaaa! Or egg dishes every night! Who cares about the cholesterol, the hospital will be happy to treat your heart attack if you give them your soul…and $50,000.

7. The bill paying struggle:

Which final notice should you pay first? Water or electric. Well either youll be showering with your neighbors water hose next week or youll be using a flashlight to find your bathroom at night. Itll be fun! Just like camping!

6. The overdraft fee struggle:

You accidentally spent one dollar more than you had in the bank and now you have an overdraft fee. Bank overdraft fees are an awesome way to really stick it to people who are struggling to stay afloat. Banks usually charge an overdraft fee of around $35, but if that one dollar overdraft causes other things to bounce then you are looking at multiple overdraft fees. Banks LOVE overdraft fees, its where they make billions! But a person counting every penny is basically screwed for the rest of the month.

5. The school clothes struggle:

Winter is here and your kid has grown out of all of their winter clothes, oh joy! Now you have to siphon money from everywhere else to make sure your child doesnt turn into an ice-cube this winter. Its okay though, you really didnt need trash bags, coffee, or a phone this month anyway.

4. The school supplies struggle:

Next to Christmas and birthdays this is the single most dreaded time of the year. For one child, school supplies can easily run between $40-$80. Thats the water bill or half of the electricity bill. The start of the school year causes many parents to start fermenting their potatoes to make vodka. Dont judge, we cant afford to go buy real vodka, school supplies destroyed any hopes of that.


3. The birthday struggle:

Yay, its time to celebrate your childs entrance to the world! How exciting! Except when you realize that you have to buy a cake (especially if youre like me and baking one is not a skill you possess), birthday candles, decorations, a present (and the older they get the more expensive they are), and a multitude of other items to make your childs day special. Its okay though, cake can be eaten for meals right?

2. The Christmas struggle:

Its the most wonderful time of year, right? WRONG! Every parent wants to make the holidays special for their child. Its magical for them, but not so much for parents who do not have any money. This is the worst time of year. The desire to make your children happy is what puts you in danger of being trampled on Black Friday. Its what causes your bills to pile up or a credit card to be maxed out. Christmas is when we check to see if our potatoes are done fermenting because we need to stay a little drunk, all the time, to get through until the new year.

And finally…

1. The hygiene products struggle:

This is probably the most degrading of all the struggles. Youve run out of shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, deodorant, tampons (if youre a woman), razors, etc. and you have no money to buy more. Maybe you receive assistance, but foodstamps dont pay for nonfood items. Now what? You pray that you dont smell until your next check. Or you sit in a corner and cry because you realize it really, really sucks to be poor.

By the way, these are not problems exclusively faced by people below the poverty line. There are millions of Americans who live just at, or slightly above, the poverty line and they struggle too maybe even more since this group makes too much to qualify for any assistance, but not enough to live comfortably, or even afford the necessities. We feel your pain, too.

Conservative myth #237: People choose to be poor because its super fun and easy, bites the dust.

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    • deedee2die4

      I can afford personal hygiene items but I wont spend on them.


      • Michele Tattoli

        So you dont buy tampons or any other equivalent? Yuck.


        • deedee2die4

          Mickey Dees gives away free napkins.


          • ClydeMcWhorter

            Really? They are ok if you dont get them Wet.


    • Spot Ries

      65% of Republicans polled said the poor have it easy because they get Medicaid and food stamps without working. Thats some weapons grade stupid right there. No wonder they all work at hardees.


      • G Wagner

        weapons grade stupid. I might steal that one!


        • JayM12345

          If they think being poor is so easy Ill be more than happy to take their burden off their hands so they can live the life of luxury. Have fun with your easy life now while I go donate to charities (real ones that help the environment and poverty not Christian ones that only focus on converting people) and create jobs!


      • Andrew

        Some are oblivious to the fact that conservatives are more charitable with their OWN money than liberals by a three to one margin. At Christmas time it is seven to one. Merry Christmas.


        • Eli Cabelly

          Conservatives are not more charitable than liberals. Once the site approves my link youll be able to read it for yourself. Of course, it wont convince you of anything other than Ive been duped by the liberal media.


          • hmschlpatriot

            Please be sure to provide more than one source, including at least one non-liberal one so that youll have a chance of being credible.


            • Spot Ries

              Just because it doesnt come from FOX news doesnt mean its untrue. At least for people with the right amount of chromosomes


            • Steve Bshaw

              Then you should be able to prove it oh person with the right amount of chromosomes?


            • fiona64

              Its not Spots fault that youre too stupid to understand the MIT study …


            • Steve Bshaw

              You mean the one that wanted to define charity in the way they wanted in order to make the point they wanted? Yeah, it was realll tough to understand that model.

              If only we could change the world by merely using words differently. We could call cupcakes like you educated.


            • fiona64

              As I said, you clearly didnt bother looking. Otherwise, you wouldnt continue to make such an arse of yourself.


            • Casey

              Im sure it was an oversight that you did not make a similar request of Andrew.


          • roseba

            You could simply type out the url in prose. Like thenameoftheside dot com / directory name / file name.


          • Andrew

            Waiting for your link from a reliable source with factual support.


        • Brian Lightfoot No Alias

          I dont really think poor people want charity as much as they want to earn wages that wouldnt have them classified as poor. And conservatives are the party of no minimum wage.


          • Jerry Summers

            Looks to me like you dont think period. Minimum is a starting wage, youre supposed to better yourself from there.


            • Shannon Argueta

              In 1933 President Roosevelt said,No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.

              By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level I mean the wages of a decent living.

              Roosevelt fought for years to enact a minimum wage law that guaranteed American citizens would have a living wage. You were saying?


            • Guest

              It is possible to go to college and then end up at a minimum wage job. Here in our rural Ohio area this happens a LOT. And since Toledo and Ft Wayne are over 50 miles away, we dont have access to a large job market. There was a job I wanted nearly 40 miles away but it didnt pay to drive an 80 mile round trip.


            • Steve Bshaw

              So MOVE bonehead.


            • http://www.dirtworks.nethttp://www.newenglandnatural.com Dirt Works

              Moving costs money too bonehead. Nothing is free. Some people actually have family they live with that since they love them might want to go as well but one of them might have their own shitty job they cant afford to leave and the kids might have friends and a school they like and a pediatrician whos known them since before they were born and moving is a very disruptive thing to kids and a family and you know what? Some people have aging parents they take care of and cant move away because their parents might die without them caring for them and so on. Get a clue asshole. Peoples lives are complex and often tragic. Nice to be a young punk who only gives a shit about him or her self but most people arent allowed the luxury of such selfish thinking and behavior. When did loving people and wanting the best for them and trying to build a culture that appreciates and nurtures these things boil down to Move bonehead? People like you ruin the world for all the good people in it.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Oh you poor oppressed child. Now, grow up, pull your pants up, look in the mirror and decide to become a man. The world doesnt owe you the life you want or think you deserve. Sometimes you have to make choices where you do not get everything you want, and GASP, you have to make a sacrifice or two to create a better future for yourself.

              So MOVE, bonehead.


            • Ellen H.

              I guess family doesnt matter. And before you tell me to make a better future for myself, dont worry. I own my home and have a great job. However, I also realize that not everyone in this world had the same opportunities I did.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Yep, thats true. So, apparently you did not or do not give away all of your discretionary income for those who do not have those opportunities, you know, with the money from your great job.


            • Ellen H.

              I do give as much as I am able. However, you are taking a complex problem and acting as if there is an easy one-size-fits-all answer.


            • Steve Bshaw

              You apparently do not give as much as you are able if you own your home. Move to a smaller home and give more. Or rent a room. Live a lower lifestyle and give more. You can. You choose not to, and lie to yourself that you give what you are able

              It sucks to have your hypocrisy pointed out doesnt it? But, hey, you feel compassion, and thats free. No sacrifice on your part to feel is it?


            • Ellen H.

              No, it really doesnt because I have absolutely no respect for you or people like you. Have a lovely holiday.


            • Steve Bshaw

              But yet you did not address the question. Perhaps because you painted yourself into a corner and now you wish to scurry away with your tail tucked between your legs?

              Merry Christmas, and perhaps you should give more to the poor this holiday season. Because you can you know.


            • The One Who Gives

              Honestly Steve I have been reading your words and you make me sick. How dare you tell that young man to pull up his pants and move. As he wrote he cares for his aging parents and has an education. However moving cost money and paying for the education cost money. I cant believe in 2014 anyone would think as closed minded and shallow as you do. I really hope and pray that you can open your eyes and heart to realize that there is more to life than what you have in your 4 walls.

              And for how you spoke to Ellen, you have NO clue how large a home she has, all you know is she owns it. You dont know if she feeds the homeless or homes the less fortunate.

              In my mind and heart you are heartless excuse of a man.

              I was raised that if someone has less than you that you give what you can. I was taught that you see the good in someone and not cut on the. The least you could have done is tell Ellen thats great that you help others when you can and for that young man its very honorable that he cares for his parents and works when he can. I appreciate people like them. You really should take a lesson from them on what humanity is.


            • Steve Bshaw

              It is very honorable for a man to help his parents, you know, assuming he is telling the truth. I dont recall expressing otherwise.

              It is not very honorable for a man to say that there was a job he wanted but that it was too far away. How about getting a job that you do not want but is closer?

              And Ellen slunk away didnt she, after expressing how compassionate she is. Okay, if it makes you feel better I will write how compassionate and caring I am. I am soooo compassionate. I feeeeel so bad for people that I feeeellll badly for. There, feel better about me now?

              Did that improve anything?

              So you were raised to give help when you can. Do you do that, or were you just raised that way? I am curious what you label do what you can.


            • The One Who Gives

              The words that you said here dont make me or anyone else feel better because the words you said freely before you were called out say so much more. As for doing what I can, I give more than I can but do it anyways. I have taken the last money that I have to feed the homeless. Can you say that


            • Steve Bshaw

              And yet you still have money to pay for whatever device and service you use to play here. So, not really the last money you had now was it?

              I did advocate feeding the homeless to the hungry in order to solve two problems at once, but alas, my idea was not received well.


            • The One Who Gives

              Well I get online from the FREE internet connection at my job!! So yes the last money that I have.

              Honestly Im dont with your closed minded self.

              Bye Felisha


            • Ellen H.

              Actually some of us have jobs as well as other responsibilities; consequently, I dont have a lot of time to waste with people like you.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Apparently you have plenty of time to waste on people like me. If not, well, its easy to not reply.


            • subee

              How about you giving up some of your punk-ass attitude and calming your butt down while your mommy makes you a hot chocolate? How much have YOU given to the poor? Oh, I am sure you have funded an entire town, because key-board jerks like you ALWAYS are more righteous than anyone else. We know, Steve, we know.


            • Steve Bshaw

              I have not given much money to the poor. And this shows…what?

              And speaking of calming down, little girl, really, is it that time of the month?


            • Ashley Floyd

              Lol this Steve Bshaw guy is so obviously a troll, nobody is this stupid. Ive been trolled into responding! Hes good


            • subee

              #trollharder


            • Steve Bshaw

              Apparently. Or perhaps you are not. Or perhaps both.


            • Ms_Fit

              We would have loved to have stayed in our home state of MI, but there were no jobs, just liberal politics. We did what we had to and moved to where we could make a living. After getting established we were able to help my parents move by us. People have been moving to where they can make a living for centuries. Yeah, sometimes it sucks, but thats life. Its not a matter of good vs. bad people, its a matter of what you are willing to do or sacrifice to succeed. If youre not willing, then live w/ your choices.


            • subee

              People dont always have the same luck and circumstances as you. Please remember that, and dont judge others by it.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Who said she was judging? In fact, she specifically said it was not a matter of good vs. bad people, she simply said that one must often live with ones choices?

              Apparently, you see any opinion you do not like as a case of judging others, even those opinions you did not understand.


            • Ms_Fit

              Im well aware of that. Im also aware of a majority that sits around and complains turning down a hand up that requires them to take action/make sacrifice. Then proceed to judge me without knowing what my family and me did to get where we are. Yes, some people just have rotten luck, but 99% of the time, it is consequences of their own actions and or lack of willingness to do anything about it.


            • vforba

              Quite honestly those are just a lot of excuses to stay in the same hole. I meet with people all the time who move all over the country, have families, they are sacrificing a lot but they have a job and a good wage. They work their butts off. While I think its awesome that people are willing to take care of their parents maybe they should move in with them then and save on rent/mortgage whatever. It can be done, its just a matter of what is more important. Surviving or not. It doesnt have to be for forever. It may be for a few months or a few years. Its not easy nobody said was going to be. I get sick of people bellyaching over all this stuff but they wont get off their duff to improve their situations because God forbid it disrupt their comfort.


            • subee

              Thats BS. Quit with the people bellyaching over all this stuff but they wont get off their duff to improve their situations because God forbid it disrupt their comfort. Just because YOU did it doesnt mean everyone else can. You are giving yourself way more credit than you deserve. You are NOT in others situations, so dont judge them until you know exactly what they have to deal with.


            • Steve Bshaw

              So dont judge vforba until you know what she knows. Oh wait, the same rules of judging without complete knowledge to not apply to you do they?


            • athynz1

              Arent you judging vforba? Take your own advice.


            • Steve Bshaw

              I beat you to that one


            • Cricket

              And the same folks who say Move are often the ones criticizing the same people for having broken families and not taking care of their elderly.


            • mkpassey

              Nothing is free but many would like it to be so and would like to tax others to make it so.


            • Ellen H.

              Oh yes, its just so easy to move. U-Haul gives those trucks away and most utility companies just love to sign up new customers and not make them pay deposits or anything.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Who said it was easy? Oh….I get it. Life is supposed to be EASY for young people today. You are so compassionate.


            • Ellen H.

              Youre acting as if it is with your helpful move bonehead.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Actually I stated an option when jobs do not exist in the are that you live. And it is simple. And who said life choices were supposed to be easy?

              Now think about the implications of the question before typing…you can do it.


            • R. S. S.

              And, how? Thats been made impossible. They wont let you work longer hours. They refuse any and all promotions. They pay you minimum wage and say youre part time THEN they only allow you 14 -18 hours A WEEK to work. Better yourself? What jobs? With what education? I cant even take out enough loans to pay for a Bachelors degree. My associate degree MEANS NOTHING…its worthless. A business degree is worthless…my life is worthless, America is worthless. Youre suppose to better yourself. Except you made that IMPOSSIBLE. Now we have to fight for the little scraps we have left that you throw us.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Perhaps you could do what I did. My own Masters was not going to produce a lucrative career although I did find the field interesting. I learned to do what my father did, I learned carpentry, electrical wiring, plumbing, I learned to build stone structures such as retaining walls and fireplaces. I started doing this by simply putting an ad in a paper to mow lawns and landscape and I went from there.

              What is your degree in oh bitchy one?


            • http://www.dirtworks.nethttp://www.newenglandnatural.com Dirt Works

              Lucky for you you live in a place where people still have the money to pay for some one like you to do those things. There are many areas where the construction biz is still in a slump and may never recover. I know a lot of talented people right now whod love to be working in their profession or trade but there isnt enough work to keep everyone busy. Suppression of wages by republicans by bashing unions and refusing to raise the minimum wage and a tax code that allows the rich to get richer at the expense of everyone else is holding us back as a nation. If consumers have low wages they dont spend money and the economy continues to sputter even with low unemployment because people just dont have any discretional money to spend on repairs or new construction or the luxury items like dry stacked stone walls, paver patios, etc. Did it ever occur to you, before you opened your arrogant mouth, that not everyone is physically able to do those things or has the acumen to do them? Ive known plenty of intelligent people who couldnt drive a nail to save their life. Just because you did a certain thing or things and you could and it worked for you doesnt mean everyone should or can be like you. Your statement is the picture of arrogance. And before you go off on some predictable right wing rant let me tell you this. I do all of the things you mentioned and more and currently have my own business doing them but the day will come soon when my body will no longer let me do them anymore and thats the same for a lot of people. Our society needs compassion and unconditional love not a bunch of arrogant pricks who go around judging others because they arent like them and dont think like them.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Lucky for you you live in a place where people still have the money to pay for some one like you to do those things.

              I didnt. I moved. Bonehead.

              There are many areas where the construction biz is still in a slump and may never recover. I know a lot of talented people right now whod love to be working in their profession or trade but there isnt enough work to keep everyone busy.

              yes, its called a recession, or in Obamas case, a jobless recovery. I am not working in my profession or trade. I learned to do other things.

              Suppression of wages by republicans by bashing unions and refusing to raise the minimum wage and a tax code that allows the rich to get richer at the expense of everyone else is holding us back as a nation.

              Check the current wages in South Dakota where the oil boom occured and notice that the minimum wage there is irrelevant because of demand for workers. Imagine, wages actually being affected by economic activity. And the tax rate for the rich was raised under Obama and the gap between the rich and poor is far higher than it was under Reagan. Gee, how did that happen?

              If consumers have low wages they dont spend money and the economy continues to sputter even with low unemployment because people just dont have any discretional money to spend on repairs or new construction or the luxury items like dry stacked stone walls, paver patios, etc.

              Well gosh, if that is how to grow an economy and create better jobs, why dont we just set the minimum wage at $50 an hour? Try to think before you post.

              Did it ever occur to you, before you opened your arrogant mouth, that not everyone is physically able to do those things or has the acumen to do them?

              Well, then they should not be paid as much as someone who does should they? Oh wait, you want a $50 an hour minimum wage for McDonalds workers. That way everyone gets a trophy. By the way, I am typing my responses. Perhaps you need to open your mouth to do that, but if so, well, that explains a few things about you doesnt it?

              Ive known plenty of intelligent people who couldnt drive a nail to save their life. Just because you did a certain thing or things and you could and it worked for you doesnt mean everyone should or can be like you.

              If they cannot drive a nail they are either unintelligent or feel they are too good to do such things. Its not that hard. And if they simply cannot do it, they should not be paid as well as someone who can, if there is demand for that skill should they?

              Your statement is the picture of arrogance. And before you go off on some predictable right wing rant let me tell you this. I do all of the things you mentioned and more and currently have my own business doing them but the day will come soon when my body will no longer let me do them anymore and thats the same for a lot of people.

              Well then, what pay rate do you pay your employees oh compassionate one? As for your body deteriorating, I hope you have been saving for that day rather than buying iphones or booze.

              Our society needs compassion and unconditional love not a bunch of arrogant pricks who go around judging others because they arent like them and dont think like them.

              So be compassionate. With your own money. Dont tell others what to do with theirs and dont demand that others behave according to your own narrow idea of what compassion is.


            • Jenny

              I agree that moving makes sense in many circumstances. I live in Cleveland and the economy still sucks here. I have a masters degree and a great job now, but have been laid off three times! We would love to move, but my husband would have to give up his rights to his son. Further, we have two underwater mortgages. (A townhouse I bought when I was single and the house my husband had before we met that we live in.) Even with renting the townhouse, its still a loss. We talked to an attorney about strategic default, but the banks would came after us for tens of thousands of dollars because we make decent money, on paper anyway. So its not always possible to just up and move, even if youre willing to make the sacrafice.


            • Steve Bshaw

              An actual response with legitimate reasons for her situation. I am going to pay you the compliment of treating your response seriously.. I know what you are going through, and have some knowledge of your type of situation, well, where the underwater mortgages are concerned that is.

              The options you are faced with in regard to those underwater mortgages are all going to have negative consequences, some of them long term, but I am inclined to say that you should think of letting at least of those properties go, but again, the numbers matter.

              I know that some people, emphasis on some, have strong reasons to remain where they are, especially those with dependent family, and it requires a reasonable weighing of the good and bad to make a decision like moving.

              But that is not the gist I get from so many respondents here and in other discussions on this matter. The complaints I am seeing from these people is that they have the RIGHT to a good paying job in the location where they are, that allows them to use whatever useless degree they so that their career will give them both good money and sense of fulfillment, and allow them to live in the city that they find so bitchin cool.

              They do not have this right no matter how loudly they whine that they do. Like you, I remained in a location to be available for my mother, but I realized that in doing so I was shutting off certain choices. But Jenny, if I may call you that, that is what is meant by the word sacrifice. You make choices that help others to your own detriment at times. These folks dont seem to get that. They want it all, and they think that the world is screwing them because they cant have it.

              I know people like you in situations of legitimate quagmires. I know that sometimes a person can get kicked in the crotch by the fates and needs help. But most of those here who are either weeping phony tears of compassion for the poor, or who claiming to be one of those who the fates spit on, are just wrong in their assessment. But…I am willing to listen to proposes counter-examples.

              Good luck swimming out of your swamp. By the way, look at your actual mortgage agreements carefully. You would be surprised how often those have mistakes that can benefit you, especially if you financed during the free for all time in the early 2000s


            • fiona64

              Wow. What a long-winded demonstration of the privilege to which you are so blind. You could just move because you had the wherewithal to do so. What does the family with no working automobile do when you tell them to just move and get a better job, walk to another city or state with their belongings on their back?

              You are just plain disgusting.


            • vforba

              Did you ever hear of someone moving by themselves and getting a job and then sending for their family? People do this all the time. In fact that is what most of the gas and oil companies do. Its not an easy life but if you want to survive sometimes thats what they do


            • LauraAkers

              Did you ever hear of someone moving by themselves and getting a job and then sending for their family?

              So you are suggesting a struggling family try to maintain TWO households for some unknown period when they cannot afford to run one?

              Seriously…


            • fiona64

              And yet they get so angry when I point out the privilege inherent in their thinking …


            • Lena Trahan

              Oh come on hes just illustrating what we already know, Republicans are out of touch with reality.


            • sherryl

              Obama has done so much for U.S. look at the overload of illegals and his funding terrorist and his Obamacare that cost more than will ever be used on the people who need health care. Blaming anyone who has the devil in the WH to deal with is a waste. He hates America and has proved it and laughed in our faces every lie he spews.


            • fiona64

              Were you going for some sort of Teabircher talking point record there?


            • Chicho Blanco

              You are a poorly educated, ignorant, high school drop out, white trash loser.


            • Jack

              If you have nothing constructive to say regarding the topic, then stop talking.


            • sherryl

              By your comment it appears that you are the very words you called me. Playground bully, try a real debate.


            • sherryl

              Chicho why so much hate? You need to leave the playground name calling has proved you are what you have called me. Wow tell me you are 12.


            • vforba

              If it means surviving and getting ahead then yes, you know a lot of our country got started this way.


            • LauraAkers

              Actually, no it didnt. This idea that weve always been go it alone rugged individualists is malarky. The only way pioneer groups could make it was by working very closely TOGETHER. Trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps more often got you dead.


            • Michelle Reed-Harris

              It can be done. I was going to do it. I was going to work as a care giver for a family in exchange for rent. If that didnt work I was going to live out if my car for awhile. It could be done. It wont be pleasant… but it could be done.


            • subee

              Yeah, you said it COULD be done, but YOU didnt do it . . .


            • Michelle Reed-Harris

              I didnt because I was able to get a raise at my current job. I had things set up so II could do it though. I would have too if I had not been given a raise. I never said it would be pleasant. It can be done though and if you need work then you go and find it.


            • karensc

              What if you had children? Were your new employers/landlords going to put them up, too? Are you willing for your children to be homeless and live in your car, too?


            • Michelle Reed-Harris

              I do have children. I was going to leave them behind while I moved to the new city. I was planning to be there for several months alone while my husband took care of the children at our home in Arizona. Then with our tax refund I was going to pay for their move to the new city and set up a place for us in the Texas. So yes, it can be done.


            • prettymeadow

              How about a lesson in compassion and empathy?

              Homelessness

              In my life Ive been sad to hear,

              those that dont care about others, their message is clear.

              Pick yourself up by your bootstraps I hear them exclaim,

              they care naught for my circumstances, I cannot; Its my pain.

              When youve no money, no address, no phone,

              no one will hire you, youre out on your own.

              In this time of high technology, when most businesses hire from online,

              having no computer, I cant put in applications. I havent got a dime.

              No transportation to go to a job, no housing, no address, leaves me in a lurch.

              So I sit here, and you watch me with wary eyes from your perch,

              You assume I committing a crime, just by sitting on a bench.

              You assume Im an addict due to my aromatic stench.

              I dont have a home, no shower, no clean clothes,

              For it is I and those who are like me that you do your best to loathe.

              Your unwanted assumptions are my cross to bear,

              I wonder if you really see me, if you could really care.

              Humanity needs to come full circle, to care about each other,

              It wasnt that long ago you see, but now no one wants to bother.

              The tribes of the past, used to share and make sure all were taken care of,

              No one went hungry, or unsheltered, or unloved.

              A lesson for humanity should be given once again on the range,

              the ones who are oppressed are the ones who can make change,

              but only if we all stick together, regardless of our lot.

              We only have each other, and that is all that weve got.

              So fight for all humanity, against the hoarded greed,

              With kindness and fairness, we can all be freed

              from this giant rat race, we can live together, and amend

              and let the planet heal from our wars on each other, and be better humans once again.

              -Linda Meyer

              Ode to the Homeless Veteran

              Go Away! I heard him say.

              You homeless bum be on your way!

              He pushed me and punched me.

              He was not at all kind to me.

              What ever happened to this land of the free?

              Apparently freedom, no longer applies to me.

              I have no family who will take me in

              They put me off and say Im living in sin.

              They think that Im disposable,

              But Im a human being just like you.

              Such a statement should not be opposable,

              But Im treated like an old worn out shoe.

              People dont usually see me here standing in the rain.

              They never see that I am a human, and that Im in much pain.

              You see I fought for my country when I went to a foreign land,

              When I came home there was no fanfare, no band.

              I came back only to find no help for me,

              My broken body, soul, and mind,

              Makes people uncomfortable, they leave me behind.

              People see me as a bum, a loafer, and lazy.

              They call me an addict, and mentally crazy.

              What I am is a human being just like you.

              I deserve to be treated with dignity too.

              Although Im broke and broken, dont judge me so severe,

              For one day, if circumstances dictate, you also could be here.

              Be kind to all people you come across in life,

              No matter who they may be, we all experience strife.

              Everyone deserves a home to call their own.

              Everyone deserves to be cared for, and kindness shown.

              Will you be the one to help make an opportunity for me to feel loved?

              Or will you continue on your way, not caring, and giving me a shove.

              Humanity needs a reset and to let greed, and ego go.

              People need to become humane to each other, and allow humanity to grow.

              ~ Linda Meyer


            • fiona64

              All right … lets play your game. How is the person *with no automobile* supposed to get to this magic place where jobs are just lying around so that s/he can then send for his family?

              In fact that is what most of the gas and oil companies do.

              If the gas and oil companies are moving you, its because you ::wait for it:: already have a job with them. Been there, done that.


            • vforba

              Not necessarily. There were many articles about people up and leaving and taking buses, trains etc out to ND to get the jobs around leaving families behind and finding anyplace to go to sleep. There have been tons of jobs available and they would send money home once they were able to find employment.


            • fiona64

              There have been tons of jobs available

              Where is this magic land with jobs just lying around for the taking?

              And how is that working poor person (as someone else pointed out) going to manage to keep two households going until they can send for their family?


            • Kyle Schroeck

              North Dakota, Louisiana, Texas.


            • Sophie

              People like vforba with all their fairy tale answers crack me up. Send for their families??

              Id like to know too where this magic land is where there are tons of jobs just begging to be filled.


            • karensc

              Where are they getting the money to pay for these trains and buses? Do you know how much a bus ticket to ND from SC costs? Look it up. Not as cheap as you seem to think. Are all of you really this stupid? I think so, from what I can see.


            • Kyle Schroeck

              Its called a train, or a bus. Your green friends know all about these modern fuel-saving mass transit devices.


            • fiona64

              And those things cost no money whatsoever, right?


            • Lena Trahan

              Surely if you cant afford to get by where your at you can still afford a Uhaul and new deposits on utilities that you are behind on. Or better yet leave your stuff behind and just buy new to go with the new place.


            • Jennifer Tarin

              how do you propose they pay for a move?


            • Sophie

              Wow…what planet do you live on, for you to think this is actually practical for most people?


            • IBEW

              Yes exacatly. I moved from PA to FLA where I could get a job when I was a young man on 9 bucks and change. Took a week.


            • athynz1

              Okay I have to chime in here because well, wow the ignorance is astounding.

              Wow. What a long-winded demonstration of the privilege to which you are so blind.

              Really? So him losing his job in an industry he has skills in is some sort of privilege? Let me guess you are one of the misguided souls who believes that social security is a privilege to…

              You could just move because you had the wherewithal to do so.

              As does everyone else.

              What does the family with no working automobile do when you tell them to just move and get a better job, walk to another city or state with their belongings on their back?

              There are buses, trains, taxis… many means available for those who need to move for whatever reason.

              You are just plain disgusting.

              Why? Because he didnt use the system to support himself?


            • fiona64

              This individual claimed to have an MA in a subject just because it interested him. How many people can do that?

              Not everyone has the wherewithal to move.

              Bus, train and taxi all cost money … which requires the aforementioned wherewithal.

              Hes disgusting because hes bigoted pig.

              Any more questions for me to dismantle?


            • athynz1

              This individual claimed to have an MA in a subject just because it interested him. How many people can do that?

              Everyone. There are such things as student loans, grants, etc.

              Not everyone has the wherewithal to move.

              Bus, train and taxi all cost money … which requires the aforementioned wherewithal.

              Then they can get the wherewithal there are jobs to be had even if they are little more than general labor, food service, or whatever. It is a paycheck.

              Hes disgusting because hes bigoted pig.

              From what Ive read he does not seem to be bigoted.

              Any more questions for me to dismantle?

              You never dismantled the one I asked. And before you bleat at me some more let me give you a bit of background I was a lazy punk teen and at 19 I was kicked out of my house with nothing more than the clothes on my back and a suitcase with a couple of changes of clothes and some personal necessities such as soap. And about $20 bucks to my name. I went from that to working two jobs to support myself, put myself through college with the use of grants and loans, and have since supported a family. I own my own house, 3 cars, and am helping to pay for my daughters school. So dont sit there and tell me that the opportunities are not there its just that people do not want to get off of their asses and do the hard work. I worked food service, I worked retail, I dug ditches, I did a trade apprenticeship… Yes it sucked out loud but it was worth it in the end. Almost anyone else can do the same thing and quite frankly it is rather appalling that people have the nerve to sit there and whine about not being able to. Bull.


            • fiona64

              Then they can get the wherewithal there are jobs to be had even if
              they are little more than general labor, food service, or whatever. It
              is a paycheck.

              You really do make a lot of assumptions, dont you? Things are not the same as they were when you were 19, in case you missed the memo.

              Things are not the same as they were when I was 19 either.


            • athynz1

              Nope. Been there, done that when I was 19 and have had apprentices do that as lately as a few months ago. Fact is too many people nowadays dont want to get their poor delicate hands dirty. Theyd rather whine about how they have the right to a high paying job right out of school in the place they live and if not then theyll work the system without even contemplating any other option.

              No, things are not the same. Nowadays people dont want to do any real work.


            • fiona64

              Everyone. There are such things as student loans, grants, etc.

              Oh, so everyone qualifies for those, do they?


            • athynz1

              Never know until they try and therein usually lies the problem.


            • fiona64

              And how do you know what people have or have not tried? My question is serious; all you see is the outcome, and you sit there and talk about what people should just do as though it is all magic.


            • athynz1

              Its hardly magic. Like Ive said if things dont go their way they dont need to sit there and whine about it but make some changes even if they consider those changes beneath them. It can be done today just as I did it when I was 19. From what Ive seen people today would much rather sit there and complain about their lives than actually work to better them. And I can just sit here and talk about because I HAVE done it. Have you ever lived homeless? I have. And I worked my ass off to ensure I would never have to again. Sure it would be harder to do today no doubt but it can be done.


            • fiona64

              The point is that you had some sort of wherewithal to make those changes. Im going to go out on a limb and guess that youre a white male … both of which are privileges that put you ahead of others.

              Not every situation is identical to yours. There is no one size fits all answer to the problem, and treating poverty as though it is some kind of moral failing is absurd.


            • athynz1

              Thats the thing I had no wherewithal according to the logic of many of you. I had a few changes of clothes, some personal hygiene products, a suitcase, and about $20 bucks. Thats it. And yes I am a white male. That does not grant me as much privilege as you think.

              I do not claim every single situation is identical to mine that would be sloppy thinking. The solution however is basically the same which is to get off of ones ass and find something, anything that pays money legally and keep on from there. And how the hell have I been treating poverty as some sort of moral failing? THAT is one of the pure BS issues floating around here that anyone is treating poverty as some sort of moral failing. Being poor is by no means a moral failing what IS a moral failing is not trying to better oneself IOW not even making the attempt.


            • AJCoog

              When did they stop running the trains, and the greyhound buses? My family up and moved in 1969 from one part of the country to another on a bus. You have a quick excuse for everything. For every positive suggestion you come back with an excuse. X cant do this, because of that. Your outlook is grim indeed. For every positive step a person can and should take for themselves, you find a barrier. I should hate to be someone ever getting advise from you about how to rise from misery. You would likely tell me how futile it is. Just stay put, and enjoy the whining.


            • fiona64

              Do you imagine that trains and Greyhound are free?

              Oh, and dumbfuck? I have an excellent career; you just continue to assume that anyone who calls you out for your privilege is underprivileged, which shows your ignorance all the more.


            • AJCoog

              You have an amazing capacity to make excuses for everything. What an inspiration you must be to those trying to get ahead. What do you tell them? Dont bother. Youre stuck. Dont even try, then hand them a little booklet full of excuses they can toss out instead of trying to improve their life. Oh, and do continue with the name-calling. Esecially the foul language. It so makes your point.


            • fiona64

              You really are making an ass of yourself. Im talking about reality for the majority of working poor, and youre continuing to show your arse with your they can just do XYZ. Yes, it would be great if your magic just do it worked across the board. However, as someone else pointed out, you are trying to make a simple solution to a complex problem.z

              Oh, one more thing: You can take your tone-policing and shove it sideways up your arse.


            • AJCoog

              Actually its the other way around. Youre making a simple problem complicated. But then thats what people like you do., rather than offer solutions, you offer excuses. Why bother, your type always says, Its too hard, to complicated. What a cop-out.


            • fiona64

              Your they can just do XYZ approach is an oversimplification that fails to take into account that Not. Everyone. Is. YOU.

              I recognize reality; you wallow in triumphalism.


            • AJCoog

              You wallow in universal sob-storyism. Everyone has one, but your kind thinks its a life sentence never to be overcome. How sad. Heres a Kleenex for your woes.


            • fiona64

              Thanks for continuing to prove my point so well.


            • Sophie

              Guest, care to contribute to the funds of a family wanting to move, then, with transportation and lodging expenses?


            • athynz1

              Like calling someone a dumbfuck shows that you are an intelligent person?


            • fiona64

              But it was okay for that individual to call me a bonehead and to imply that I am a prostitute. Okay then.


            • athynz1

              Ive scanned these comments and yes I may have missed one or two out 680 plus posts but Im not seeing where you were called a bonehead or where anyone implied you were a prostitute. At least not by AJCoog. Nor did I say it was okay or imply such. If you see the need to fling insults at least do so to the ones who insulted you first if that is how it happened not towards those who simply disagreed with you.


            • fiona64

              My apologies; it was your other friend Steve Bshaw who called me a bonehead and continues to imply that I am a prostitute.


            • athynz1

              Then by all means refer to Steve as a dumbfuck or whatever all you want I look at it this way if someone wants to start with the name calling the kid gloves come off for that person. Towards others Ill maintain my calm. Just my 2 cents.


            • Jack

              You know what would help round you out as a person? Either do your family research or visit a nursing home and talk to those in their 80s and 90s and hear how they managed to survive. None of this is new. People have sent for their families for hundreds of years, theyve had family to fall back on so be careful and dont burn bridges.


            • fiona64

              And those people in their 80s and 90s lived *in a different time from what we do now.* Jesus Christ, people. Put on your thinking caps.


            • Jack

              The only thing different is that times were a helluva lot tougher than they are now! Jesus Christ, Fiona64. Put on your thinking cap!


            • fiona64

              I think, Jack, that you are a seriously shitty student of history. I said they lived in a different time. They did. Extended families lived together. A loaf of bread cost a dime. Oh, and during that time? The safety net that the GOTeabirchers are now trying to destroy was *established.* Conservatives hate every remnant of the New Deal.


            • Jack

              So does this mean you cant give specifics..? I find it incredulous that historically, you are minimizing the impacts of the Great Depression. Nice try.


            • fiona64

              Learn the difference between incredulous and incredible. Then we can talk.

              PS: I see that you cannot answer the specific items I mentioned, and yet you demand more? What a freakin joke.


            • Jack

              Some of us have to work for a living and can only allow so much time educating liberals…I had no problem using the word incredulous, sorry you had difficulty understanding the term…


            • fiona64

              So, you have no problem using a malapropism. Must have been homeschooled by conservatives, I guess.


            • Jack

              So now you are minimizing the Great Depression and how people lived and sacrificed then? Youre actually trying to equate the prices then to what they are now without adjusting for inflation? Nice try…


            • fiona64

              Um, sweetie? The entire point I was *making* when I brought up the price of bread had to do with inflation. Im sorry that you arent bright enough to understand that.


            • Jack

              listen up little girly, you have a lot to learn and it shows.


            • fiona64

              Im sorry that you are not bright enough to understand the points I was making, but thats really not my fault.


            • Jack

              Whatever makes you happy, darlin


            • Jack

              There you go again with the personal insults and pompous arrogance. I dont think you really want to talk politics, I think youre here simply to degrade and bully those with differing opinions.


            • fiona64

              There you go again with the tone policing. I dont think you really want to talk about the realities of the working poor, I think youre here ismply to degrade them.


            • Jack

              Im reacting off of behavior fit for a 13 year old girl in junior high school. The attitude speaks plainly that your a angry and negative person…almost like a child who gets mad when they dont get their own way. I cant imagine going through life as such a toxic person.


            • Jack

              Yawn


            • fiona64

              PS: People who are in their 80s or 90s now? Were *children* during the depression. What do you imagine they will tell me about their survival skills?


            • Jack

              I dont know what youre looking for but I would urge you to ask them yourself. My siblings, cousins and family friends value the wisdom and advice my 90year old parents offer all relevant to todays problems.


            • fiona64

              You were the one who claimed that an 80-year-old could tell me how to survive hard times. That person would have been *born* in 1934. My dad was born in 1937. He went to work in a pocketbook factory at age 14 to help his family … and 1951? Was long past the Depression.

              We have child labor laws now for a reason. I suppose you think that those, along with minimum wage laws, should be eradicated?


            • Jack

              Please reread what I wrote….I said people in their 80s and 90s.


            • Jack

              Do you even realize how obnoxious you are with your personal insults?


            • fiona64

              I really could not possibly care less what you think about me pointing out this mans privilege and his bigotry.


            • Jack

              Thats because youre so obnoxious. Ive found in life that people such as yourself who are convinced they know everything and also know better than anyone else truly dont have a clue. Somewhere along your development you werent taught to be tolerant of others who are different from yourself. Ive found this to be very typical of liberals.


            • fiona64

              Calling out intolerance and bigotry is *not* intolerance. Thats okay, though; Ive found that asinine belief to be very typical of GOTeabirchers like yourself.


            • Jack

              No, what you do is label opinions that are different than yours. People are bigots or intolerant if you dont agree with them. Youre so busy name calling that you forget how to respect other viewpoints. Ive debated with liberals for years and its always the same behavior; arrogant, obnoxious and lots of anger and hatred. Why are liberals so angry and hateful when faced with a different opinion? It seems such a negative way to communicate with people. I bet you were a bully in school and didnt have a lot of friends because it was either your way or no way.


            • fiona64

              I am not going to respect bigotry or racism. Period. That you expect *anyone* to do so speaks volumes about you.


            • Jack

              You my dear are set on hyperdrive searching for any trace of your perception of bigotry. Ive watched you launch into name calling, bullying tactics against people who think differently than you and who are not bigots. You fit the liberal stereotype perfectly for how you treat others. Are you afraid to answer my question as to why liberals are such a angry, hateful group? The truth hurts doesnt it.


            • fiona64

              So much projection in so little space, Jackie …


            • athynz1

              I hate to burst your bubble but its not a projection Ive been reading your comments here in response to others and you are the one who begins the round of insults over a difference of opinion. Why is that? Why can you not simply present your case, provide a backup to your points, and respond to comments in a bit more a mature manner? Sure I can sling insults with the best of them but I prefer not to unless provoked or faced with an obvious troll. You dont seem to be a troll but the insults do undermine the point you are trying to make.


            • fiona64

              After being called a bonehead and other things for pointing out the privilege inherent in many of the posters here, I no longer feel the need to be polite. Thanks for your tone-policing, though.


            • athynz1

              Tone policing huh? Whatever. Heres part of the problem with you and some of the other posters on here you guys whine about the privileges of others without acknowledging that their alleged privilege quite possibly came from hard work and perseverance. You seem to assume that they were born with silver spoons. Equating success with one being born with some sort of inherent privilege is sloppy thinking. Just sayin.


            • Jack

              I knew you wouldnt answer the question…pathetic but fits the narrative perfectly.


            • Jack

              Would you mind explaining what exactly you are talking about regarding privilege?


            • Chris Carino

              I invite you to visit Ellis Island maybe there you will find the answer to your question. Too far? Not relevant to modern times? Then take a minute to ask the illegal who is taking your job how he just moved here with no working automobile. may have been just a easy walk through a couple hundred miles of sand. Ask him how many dead bodies he saw on the way yet kept going.While your at it ask him how he could survive working for min wage at Burger King but dont be surprised when he tells you he doesnt make min wage,he makes 4.50 an hour but who is he going to tell? Oh and as far as the family..ask him how it feels that he hasnt seen then in three years. I bet his answer will surprise you. He will prob. tell you he is happy for the chance to provide for himself and his family. Just to add to the intelligent people who cant swing a hammer guy..most people can operate a shovel or a mop


            • karensc

              Not everyone can afford to move. Its an expensive proposition, and if you dont know someone who can help you out in your new place of residence, you are basically screwed. If you were able to move, you had the money or someone willing to help you financially. You really are an arrogant prick. You dont understand what it means to be poor.


            • vforba

              So Detroit just went bust because of the republicans and not the selfish unions that were working for $50/hr and had outrageous healthcare benefits?


            • athynz1

              As opposed to the even more outrageous healthcare benefits, bonuses, and pay that the CEOs of those companies employing that union labor had?


            • IBEW

              Unions are losing because democrats forced manufaturing out of the nation and allowed illegal workers in.


            • Steven Nelson

              I would like to point out that under Obama more illegal immagriants have been deported then all the 8 years bush was in office. If you want to look and see who helped those jobs get sent over seas take no look further then the republicans like Mitt Romeny the father of out sourcing. Under Bush his pals in congress pushed though tax credits for companies to move jobs out of the US.


            • Ellen H.

              I know several people who have construction skills that have been unemployed for a while because there isnt any work for them. Not everyone lives in an area that has a lot of new construction going on.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Who said I do new construction? Who said it had to be construction?


            • Momo

              So not its not enough to have a degree, we have people like you deciding which degrees are acceptable.


            • Steve Bshaw

              No, we have the market deciding which degrees are in demand and which are not. You know, that market thing where employers seek out employees with the skills, education, and experience to meet their needs and pay such employees accordingly, and employees who work to obtain those things to actually have something to offer other than attitude.

              But I am going to guess that you are either pursuing or obtained one of those degrees that no one other than people like you respect, and that this degree did not involve studying economics at all. Mistake.

              A mistake I made as an undergrad by the way. But I did not whine that the world should find my degree acceptable. So no honey, its not enough that you have a degree. You need an actual education.


            • DyingLight

              Well yes, and no. Ive known people with women studies degrees or art history degrees lauch themselves into law school or further their education with MBAs; and various engineering degree holders or even those with hard science degrees poor as dirt or working at starbucks. It really depends on both the degree, to an extent, but much more importantly how an individual uses it. I studied linguistics for example, and Im a well compensated translator now. Im also pursuing a masters in computer science now studying computer language. Individual creativity, work ethic, and the ability to sell your skills is highly important. Dumb luck is also important in this too, as it is in obtaining nearly any job.


            • journogal

              Learning a trade is the way to go.


            • Ms_Fit

              Neither my husband nor I have a college degree. He works in the RV industry. He works damn hard, but he makes a decent living. I work in the pet industry, I bypassed college and learned a skill. I work hard too, but I have my own business. What we both see is people coming and going from both our industries because they dont want to work. Then they whine about how they cant make it, whine about America, and what they arent being handed, and how its not fair. Sorry, but if youre doing nothing to get out of the situation your in, I have a hard time feeling for you.


            • karensc

              How many employees do you have in your own business? How much do you pay them? If you pay minimum wage, then, yes, you arent going to keep them as your employees very long. They will constantly be looking for a job that pays more than you are willing to pay.


            • Ms_Fit

              0 employees. Ive seen enough working for others to know I dont want the headache and extra expense. If I should change my mind, I would certainly hire a skilled, dependable worker at a competitive wage. However, the kid sweeping the floors should not expect to start out much more than minimum, and shouldnt expect a gold star just for showing up. Ive had plenty of min. wage jobs in my lifetime, and have always gotten raises. Yes, they were small raises, but I didnt expect my employers to pay me what management made for flipping burgers or washing dishes.


            • Nobody important

              NObody expects that kind of increase but people want living wages. Minimum wage is a starvation wage. I am educated and the only jobs I can get are this type. I have worked hard and in these positions they do not want to promote so if you work hard and you still get nowhere that is really demotivating and humiliating. It eats away at your soul. Changing jobs sounds like an answer but it ends up being the same thing in a new position. IF you arent in that other persons shoes DONT JUDGE THEM. That dishwasher might have a family at home that might want to pay their light bill this month or have some food. Mimimum wage has to go up // JUDGMENTS DOWN.


            • chad

              No you just should of done your home work. If your going to get an education make sure you do it in a field where there is a market. If you choose something you like that doesnt have much available then thats your problem not everyone elses


            • chad

              Or maybe your not getting promoted for a reason. Guessing of your own doing expecting it for nothing


            • Nobody important

              Maybe you are assuming facts not in evidence. I excelled at those jobs and one manager discussed recommending me to train for a manager position but he left before it could happen. Someone kept bringing in friends and relatives for these positions and finally one manager only wanted the pretty young blonde girls to get all the hours. I went 2 weeks with no hours and asked to be sent to other stores to fill in. I was one of their best. I quit after that and was immediately hired. SO dont tell me I deserved what I got. I treated this like make the best out of what you have. Put my best into my work and try as hard as possible. SO please just shut up. I do not expect something for nothing.


            • Elizabeth

              I dont think anyone is saying that the hamburger flipper should make what management makes, but a livable wage would be nice. You Conservatives seem to miss the point that we are all subsidizing them AND the employer by having to have these people have to live on food stamps even though they are working…remember how Wal-Mart had to take up a food drive for its employees last year…grow a heart lady!


            • Toni Parks

              When adjusted for inflation wages are exactly where they were 20 to 30 years ago. Why is ok for the cost of living to rise without salaries rising? All people are asking for is a wage that will pay for the basic standard of living: Rent, food, healthcare, basic needs


            • Kobukvolbane

              Ahh, what a good feeling triumphalism is!


            • JOHN KLINE

              What a Christian sentiment.


            • Ms_Fit

              Who said anything about Christianity? For a bunch of tolerant liberals, you sure feel free to put labels and make judgments about people that dont agree with you. Just like the author of this article starts out w/ her judgment of people who believe able bodied people should work for what they get.


            • JOHN KLINE

              I love being a tolerant liberal. It is a lot better than being a hate-filled bigoted Conservative who hates that people get any help with medical care, food, etc. Often these same ones profess to be Christians, but they follow the Republican Revised Edition of the Bible which follows few of the teachings of the regular Bible.


            • Ms_Fit

              If they NEED help, by all means, they should get it. However most of us know personally 1 or more people that just work the system. Ive encountered many over the years. If you dont, then look up on You Tube welfare abuse there are many shinning examples of people that dont work because they are content to sit back and let others provide for them. If that is your definition of hate-filled bigoted Conservative then I hope your ignorance continues to bring you bliss.


            • JOHN KLINE

              I am sure it will. Thank you for another Christian comment.


            • Neller6557

              Id much rather see a poor person game the system than watch huge corporations do it whilst plunging others into poverty with their unbridled greed and double standards. Id say poor people in America, game the system as much as you can because this current system will grind you up and spit you out no matter how much you earn from working hard all your life.


            • Susan

              Good point…Ive never seen anyone work the welfare system. I am a single mom. Ive worked a lot (at a furniture store presently average 50 hours a week) I have had times I needed food stamps and made just over enough to get aid. Been trying to get ahead for 10 years alone. My kids did get help from CHIPS medically thank God, but Ive had no healthcare until the ACA which my taxes went to pay for too. If I ever get comfortable financially, I will never begrudge people in need getting assistance. Too bad humanity can be so selfish. Being wealthy and unwilling to help your fellowman is so shameful…Like walking past a person whos fallen and just ignoring them.


            • Toni Parks

              Seems like we are a lot quicker to prosecute those who game the welfare system than those who game the banking system.


            • Neller6557

              They always go for the low hanging fruit and that would be most of us..


            • Linda Martin

              If you know someone who is working the system, why dont you report them?


            • Elfwitch

              Bull I am so tired of this conservative lie of how they all know someone abusing the system. No one in there right mind is content to sit back and live in soul crushing poverty. I am disabled and I live in poverty I get a grand total of 740 from SSDI. Yet people like you judge people like me because you cant see my disability.

              There are thousands of Americans with mental and physical illnesses struggling to work.

              We live in a country with not enough jobs that pay well to go around. And we need cashiers at Wal-Mart.

              If every American started a business there would be issues of not enough employees.

              You are a typical conservative you victim blame and you lack compassion. I wonder how judgemental you would be if you and your husband became unable to work and was forced to live in poverty and you had to deal with people like you.


            • Ms_Fit

              If you are in need of assistance, then you are not to whom I am referring. I grew up in a city where I have seen first hand mothers encouraging young daughters to have babies to expand the familys welfare. Fathers who spend their days watching TV and drinking because why bother if they have a check coming in? Young able bodied adults trading benefits for tattoos or liquor. Dont refer to me as a typical anything then tell me how judgemental I am! You dont have a clue as to how I was forced to live before we decided to leave and do something about it.


            • Toni Parks

              Look up welfare reform. That doesnt work anymore.


            • Duckia

              Ms_Fit, in regards to your young able bodied adults trading benefits for tattoos or liquor remark, I highly doubt thats what theyre trading their stamps for. At the risk of somehow implicating myself, I will admit to having purchased food stamps from a friend at a reduced rate simply because she wanted to feel what it (was) like to have some cash in (her) pocket. She was mentally handicapped to the excess of unemployable, but the government wouldnt approve her for anything more than a few hundred dollars a month in food stamps, so she sold what she didnt need just so she could buy a few trinkets here and there from her favorite thrift store. (Just so there arent any questionable gaps in this story, she was living with what would have been her common-law husband, if common-law was still a thing, and he received SSDI to pay for their rent and their bills.) We needed the help, she wanted the money it was a good fit. Some people DO do what they have to do to get what they want, even if theyre at the mercy of the government in so doing.


            • Mary A. Daniels

              There are already issues of not enough employees in the less glamorous but still very necessary jobs.


            • Elfwitch

              Not in my area. The local grocery stores, retail, fast food, call centers have no problem filling their shirts with over trained people who are desperate for work.


            • Pamela Kay Sorensen

              I have been reading all the comments and finally had to call you on your bs. I will ALWAYS advocate for people who need a hand up to get it, if someone needs a hand out to buy food and pay rent and utilities, yes, they get that too. I dont care it for every legit needy person there are 5 who are scamming the system. I will consider the legit help to the legit person worth the nonsense of the scammers. BECAUSE PEOPLE MATTER!! Even if the person needs several breaks in order to make it work, they should have it. I will always advocate for the poor and needy. The weighty judgement that comes thru in each and every one of your comments must be a heavy burden to carry. It is a sad place in your head where you are so busy making sure you are above everyone and making sure nobody gets a handout they dont deserve. You, of course, are the one deciding who deserves it, right?


            • Ms_Fit

              And of course, you are the one deciding IM not doing enough, because Im tired of all the abuses of the system? Damn right, people matter. And wed be doing them more of a service teaching them from school age to be self sufficient and creating environments for JOB growth. I am not burdened in the least with my common sense views, thank you very much.


            • Amanda

              I think so many people are passionate about what they have endured or over come and its hard not to feel attacked on both sides of the debate. I sincerely say good for you for making the best out of your situation. There are so many people that have no clear solution to many of these problems. It makes people who are depending on help feel ashamed, lost, worthless, and angry with justification. I think people are thinking you blame them, that the lives they live are the fault of their own choices. So people throw around the words conservative and liberal like its a curse. That anyone who has a different perspective of theirs must be the opposite of what they follow. There is no doubt that we should help people, everyone should have compassion and understanding in their lives. Who should be providing it for them?


            • Jen

              Is it common sense to take a job and WORK HARD to make less than you receive in benefits? I am currently on unemployment and receive $432 per week. I would have to make $10.80 per hour (quite a bit more than minimum wage) for 40 hours a week to have the same income. At my unemployment income, with one dependent, I also qualify for Medicaid for myself and a small amount of food stamps. Why would I flip burgers for minimum wage? You would likely perceive me as someone who is sitting around collecting a check.

              Try not to judge a group of people, try to look at individuals. You, as an individual, and as a part of a couple, are doing well. You are proud of your hard work and that you are doing it on your own. Not everyone has the skills nor the drive to do that. You are expecting everyone else to be just like you. Well, not all the opportunities are open to everyone. It is this attitude of Ive got mine, screw you that irritates me the most. Not everyone is like you, and lest my negative tone be deceiving, I am very happy that you are doing well. Congratulations, you have achieved your dream, just dont eliminate the opportunity for others.


            • Lewis Johnson

              The first time that I encountered a system player, I was inscenced! Then I realized that I was 35 years old, had grown up in both a inner city and a rural environment, and this was the first one I had ever actually encountered. Although I had heard about them my entire life, I had only met 1 in 35 years…including my time manning a hotline in the 70s. Something doesnt add up.


            • Patrick Mc Laughlin

              The Republican Revised Version- luvvv that!


            • Nobody important

              THEY DO. You are assuming they dont. Oh minimum wage means minimum work.. bum employees. That is the assumption. Not true. Get off your high horse.


            • elceecee

              Oh, yawn… the tolerant liberal comment again. Is that really the best that you can do? Being liberal doesnt mean that we have to tolerate stupidity and you clearly are in that category. Just another selfish conservative who doesnt believe in giving any one a hand. Yawn…


            • elceecee

              We dont have to be tolerant of stupidity and you continue to demonstrate yours. This is not differing opinions; this is a case of being tired of the lack of compassion that you and your cohorts continually demonstrate. And dont bother mouthing of about other peoples money, blaming others for my failures, and all the other sound bites that you love. I make over six figures and pay a lot in taxes. But that doesnt blind me to the struggles of others.


            • Sue Sodomin

              You are making generalizations about just a few people whom you have met. The vast majority WANT to work nut cant get the hours needed. Having a degree (even a business degree) gets you nowhere but deeper in debt -thanks to the baby boom generation (mine) who so promoted that degree that it is now worthless. Jobs that offer minimum wage also schedule you for minimum hours which are variable -so no chance of working a second or third job in there to make ends meet. So just HOW do you propose they get themselves out of this situation? School loan forgiveness would be a good start. Raising the minimum to wage to a decent living wage would be a good second step.


            • Elizabeth

              And now thats all you hear, go to college, go to college and yeah, owe us your life and soul forever and the colleges could care less if you ever get a job with that diploma….what a racket!


            • Lewis Johnson

              And who is selling it?


            • chad

              I didnt go to college I make 65k and make it just fine on my own


            • Geraldine McBarker

              what kind of wages and benefits are you offering your employees?


            • kwkr

              Your compassion is underwhelming. Good for you and your good fortune, you my dear are the exception!! MILLIONS are NOT married to have that extra help, where did you get the money to have your own business? Any help there? I had no college either worked in medicine getting grandfathered in for X-ray tech cert, which you cant do anymore by the way, worked hard was making it pretty well, then tragedy an auto immune illness lost my job, lost my insurance, and am at that poverty level by no fault of my own, as are millions others. Save your holier than thou judgement of those you know nothing about. Some day it just may happen to you.


            • Ms_Fit

              Where did I get the money to start my business? Well, if you must know I SAVED it. We went without satellite/cable TV. We made food at home, drove used cars and shopped at Goodwill or Kmart clearance for our clothes. During the leaner years it was 1 step forward, 2 steps back. And if it happens again, well do it all over again. So save your more compassionate than thou judgement of those YOU know nothing about.


            • Lewis Johnson

              Ms Fit, what you just described, is what everybody I know of used to do. It worked because it was almost certain to improve. You just needed to get your foot in the door. Somewhere along the line, that system started to crumble because prices had gone up so much all through the chain of goods and services, but wages had not kept pace, despite improvements to productivity.


            • OUR12

              We are learning a lot about YOU. Its not a nice picture.


            • Patrick Mc Laughlin

              ah Ms Fit stop for a minute and just THINK!


            • Veronica Davis McInnis

              Excuse me, but I have a very hard time believing that poor people are shopping for RVs OR getting their pets groomed and/or kenneled. Care to share where these people are coming & going as you say?


            • mid2348

              The key words are my husband nor I. It would be interesting to see your rate of success without a husband by your side. Working in the pet industry would be considered a modest income, and Im pretty sure it (minus the husband) would have left you having much in common with R.S.S..Personally, I have a hard time feeling for you. Judging by the divorce rate, perhaps youll someday walk in the shoes of R.S.S., and it would be interesting to see if youre still standing tall on your pedestal.


            • Victoria Gutshall

              I once worked a minimum wage job that actually called for quite a bit of skill (sheet metal mechanic). I had to be able to operate and set up several different types of machinery, read schematics, worked with dangerous chemicals used for treating metal, plus I had to supply my own tools. (And calipers dont come cheap) The machinery I worked with lacked adequate safety equipment and it was not uncommon for people to get seriously hurt. It was hard, dangerous work and we were constantly being pushed to increase our production. All for $2.65 an hour. It was a small company that had maybe 30 employees and did defense contract work. The owners made millions, meanwhile I was walking across town every day, no matter what the weather, to get to work, because I couldnt afford a car and no buses ran to get me to work by 6am. I was a single mother and had to take a second job just to make ends meet. I am NOT uneducated (in fact I was taking two college classes in 9th grade because I tested out of high school English and History in the eighth grade). I am not, nor have I ever been lazy. In fact I have a very strong work ethic. I have had very good jobs in my life, and lousy jobs. Right now I am looking for work, (I lost my job when my company was sold) and all thats around here is low paying jobs. This scares me because my husband is dying, and it has taken both his social security and my earnings to keep things going, and I have no idea how Im going to get by once hes gone. A few years ago we had an excellent income, but because he had a pre-existing condition, he was unable to get insurance. When he became disabled all our savings went to pay his medical bills. Still think the working poor bring it on themselves? Sadly, my story is NOT unique. It happens to MILLIONS. So get off your high horse and take a look at what is REALLY going on.


            • Toni Parks

              @Ms. Fit, On your way to your amazing success, do you think you would be where you are if you had encountered a devastating illness leading you to poverty and bankruptcy? Many, many poor are where they are because their medical care or that of family members has put them there. Count your blessings!


            • Michelle Smith

              The only problem here is your blaming a group of people who are just as likely to help you out as any other if we met on the street. I am fed up with government as much as you, but dont blame the republicans. Sounds like your beef is with your lousy boss! And whether he/she is republican or not is irrelevant! The ones taking pay-offs to turn a blind eye to corruption and injustice in the government reside on both sides of the fence. We need to ban together an an American PEOPLE and refuse to let them get away with this rather than turn on each other-which is exactly what they want because it takes the heat off them.


            • Lee Bauer

              Only that Republicans are the ones to blame for the economy as well as wanting to deregulate things that help employees AND wanting to defund the very programs that help the poor. So yes, blame Republicans.


            • michele1240

              Michelle Smith to equate the two parties shows your lack of understanding of the politics that have been played in this country for the last 4 decades. You have a computer, I highly suggest you do some research on Reaganomics, Grover Norquest, and the Fabrications of WMDs in the early 21 century. I leave you with this, if the two parties were the same, why are the Koch Boys committing a Billion dollars to defeat democrats across the country? Yes there are blue dog dems, and we on the left are sick of them, hence the rise of Bernie Sanders. I suggest you check out his platform. Maybe then you will truly understand the stark difference of the two parties.


            • Barbedwire

              With Obama, its always been divide and conquer the increase in racial, religious, haves and have nots, parties DIVIDE/ANGER/HATE is seen right here in these comments. Looks whos being blamed: white privilege, Christians (for the Crusades??), and GOP = all on the opposite side of Obama, and therefore, opposite side of the media. For HIS followers, it actually covers up and changes the focus… as to who is to REALLY BLAME FOR OUR GOVTS FAILURES.


            • Jacqueline Jentz

              Michelle ,you are the 1st republican I have ever head speak and sound like an actual caring person! Great to see! And I do agree, with you AND with R.S.S! God bless you both,thank you very much if you have extra in life and try to help your brothers n sisters of the world with any kind of charity,helping others helps you,thats how I feel Jesus wants us to allll be not just Americans,ALL! he made us and made us each special! If you can help,and you do,god smiles at this! Even though I myself am on assistance,I also receive help from my beautiful roman catholic church and how I try anyway I can to donate time at the pantry to help feed my brothers and sisters whom are STARVING! Its a wonderful feeling seeing the childrens smiles as I allow them a chocolate bar because someone obviously cared to donate Its awesome! God bless you all!


            • Michelle Smith

              And one other point Id like to add-Its been 6 years with Democratic rule in both the Senate and Executive branch yet you, no WE as a people havent seen improvement.


            • Dawn Victoria Henke

              Surely it could be nothing to do with the gridlocked, government shutting down, do nothing, lowest approval rating ever congress, could it?


            • fiona64

              Gosh, that couldnt possibly be because of the obstructive GOTeabirchers, now, could it?


            • athynz1

              It could have a lot to do with the obstructive democrats as well.


            • cjhutch

              Oh, puleeezz! The Democrats were obstructive?? Project much? Gullible much?? Come on…..


            • athynz1

              Perhaps you are a bit naive about how this works neither side is all that interested in what We The People want or interested in working together. Both sides obstruct the other then go to their constituents and say that they were obstructed. We then reelect them and the cycle continues.

              However you can of course tell me how much more the republicans are obstructive and cite examples please.


            • cjhutch

              Here are just a few of the hundreds of bills Senate Republicans have filibustered since President Obama took office just a few:

              Infrastructure bills

              The following headlines are from last weeks Full Employment Is More Than Possible. It Is Essential.

              2011: Republicans filibuster Obama infrastructure bill

              2012: Phantom filibuster blocking path forward for highway bill, says Reid

              2013: Bipartisan Transportation and Housing Bill Filibustered

              Equal Pay for Women

              Minimum wage increase

              Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act

              Bring Jobs Home Act stop tax breaks for moving jobs and production facilities out of the country

              Teachers and First Responders Back to Work Act of 2011 rehire 400,000 teachers, firefighters, paramedics and police officers.

              Student loan reform ease the crushing burden of student loan debt by at least allowing refinancing to lower interest rates

              Extended unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed

              Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) let working people join unions filibustered in 2007,killed by threat of filibuster 2009

              Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act let public safety officers join unions

              The Buffett rule ensure millionaires pay a comparable tax rate to middle-class Americans

              Repeal Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act

              What would it have meant for the economy and jobs to launch a post-stimulus effort to maintain and modernize our infrastructure? How about reversing the tax structure that pays companies to move jobs out of the country? How about equal pay for women? How about a minimum wage increase? How about hundreds of thousands of teachers and first responders going back to work? How about being able to organize into unions to fight for wages, benefits and safer working conditions? How about relief from crushing student loan debt?

              All of those things blocked, and people wonder what the economy is just slogging along…

              Obstruction And Economic Sabotage In The House

              In the House Republican leadership has been following what is called the Hastert Rule to obstruct bills that would win with a majority vote. This is not a real rule; it is a partisan method of limiting what Democrats and moderate Republicans can accomplish. Republican leadership will not bring a bill up for a vote unless a majority of Republicans are for it. In other words, even if a bill would pass with most Democrats and some Republicans voting in favor, it cant even get a vote unless it fits with Republican doctrine. (Actually that would be Republican funder doctrine, which is basically oil companies, Wall Street and a few ultra-billionaires.)

              So instead of looking at what has been blocked in the House, which would be literally everything Democrats and up to 49 percent of Republicans think would help the economy, we should look at what has passed. What has passed is a record of economic sabotage. Republicans claim there are more 300 bills passed by the House that are held up in the Senate. (Note that The Washington Post took a look at this and found that In 11 of the past 19 Congresses more than half more than 300 bills were waiting for Senate action by the time the Congress completed its work.)

              Of particular note among the passed bills is the Republican Path to Prosperity Budget (a.k.a. the Ryan budget). It is described as Cuts spending & implements pro-growth reforms that boost job creation. It dramatically cuts taxes on the rich. It privatizes Medicare. It cuts spending on infrastructure, health care for the poor, education, research, public-safety, and low-income programs. It turns Medicaid, food stamps, and other poverty programs into state block grants.

              Tax cuts arent going to fund schools or repair roads and bridges. And lo and behold, this Republican budget that passed the House cuts taxes and cuts funding for even maintaining never mind modernizing our vital infrastructure needs. This is a budget of economic sabotage.

              Other Republican House jobs bills, listed at Speaker Boehners jobs page include:

              Repeal ObamaCare

              Working Families Flexibility Act Eliminates overtime pay

              Preserving Work Requirements for Welfare Programs Act

              Approve Keystone pipeline, to build a pipeline across the country so Canadian oil can be soil to China, easing an oil glut here and bringing prices back up.

              More offshore oil drilling

              Student Success Act Promotes charter schools, cuts federal programs and support for schools

              Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act blocks regulations on coal ash

              Energy Consumers Relief Act block government regulation of oil companies and carbon pollution

              Stop Government Abuse Act Provides small business owners with tools to protect against government harassment.

              Keep the IRS Off Your Health Care Act Stops the IRS from implementing the presidents health care law

              Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny (REINS) Act Requires congressional approval of any new regulation with an economic cost of at least $100 million

              National Strategic and Critical Minerals Production Act Facilitates the development of strategic and critical minerals used to support manufacturing jobs. (Note Senate Republicans filibustered this.)

              Protecting States Rights to Promote American Energy Security Act Prevents regulations on fracking

              Responsible And Professionally Invigorating Development Act Expedites the approval for new energy projects

              Electricity Security & Affordability Act Protects coal-fired plants from regulation
              Preventing Government Waste & Protecting Coal Mining Jobs in America Act prevents coal regulations

              Success and Opportunity through Quality Charter Schools Act

              North American Energy Infrastructure Act promotes cross-border pipelines.

              The Domestic Prosperity and Global Freedom Act Expedites the approval of liquefied natural gas export applications

              Lowering Gas Prices to Fuel an America That Works Act expanding production of oil and gas

              Permanent Internet Tax Freedom Act Permanently extends a ban on Internet access taxes

              OK, got that? Their jobs bills include things like cutting government support for schools, stopping regulations on coal ash, requiring people receiving federal assistance to work, and drill-baby-drill. Oh, the list even includes bills that Republicans filibustered in the Senate.

              It is not clear how getting rid of public schools and replacing them with charter, private and home schools is about jobs. It also is not clear how banning taxes on Comcast internet access creates jobs.

              Many of these so-called jobs programs are really about subsidizing and assisting the oil and coal companies that provide so much of the funding for the Republican Party and conservative propaganda apparatus. (Note that Koch Industries is at heart an oil company.) Theyre just called jobs programs because people need jobs because Republicans have been blocking actual jobs programs.

              And what about direct sabotage? Who can forget the Republican hostage-taking of the debt ceiling, when they threatened to take down the entire world economy unless we cut back on things like maintaining our infrastructure, scientific research, public health, hiring teachers and other things we do to make our lives better? There was a direct cost of $18.9 billion, but then there was the resulting credit rating downgrade, the pullback by businesses worried that they might actually do this, and so on.

              Who can forget the terrible cost to the economy of the government shutdown? There was a direct cost of $24 billion, but also the reduced fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent. And the continuing harm from loss of confidence in our governments ability to, well, govern.

              The Voting Public Doesnt Know

              The Senate filibusters of real job and economic recovery efforts, the Houses so-called jobs and growth bills, the debt ceiling fights, the cuts in economically necessary spending like infrastructure maintenance and finally the government shutdown combine to show an incredible record of economic sabotage. This was the Republican plan, we saw it unfold, and now we see Republican campaigns running against the Obama economy.

              However, the voting public is largely unaware of this record of obstruction and sabotage and the effect on the recovery. Seriously, go out and ask around. If you are reading this you are likely a highly-informed person. So you might be aware that there have been filibusters, but maybe not that there have been up to 500 or more Republicans filibusters.

              The corporate media obscures the obstruction and sabotage. The corporate/conservative propaganda apparatus blasts out diversion and distraction. And, of course, the Democrats are not presenting a unified explanation of how Republicans are hurting the economy and how they would make things better. (Until recently President Obama blamed Congress in general, and the media still does.)

              If Republicans take the Senate this fall, will they continue the obstruction and sabotage? What if they later also take the presidency? Heres the thing, they know their tax cut, deregulate, smaller government nonsense does not work to boost the economy. Any economist will tell you, history will tell you, and common sense will tell you that taking money out of the economy wont help the economy. Its bad enough now, what happens to the country if they win? Its well past time to be fed up with this. Vote, make sure your friends and family vote. Volunteer to talk to people about the urgency of voting. Its all we have left.

              By the way, here is what that 2009 stimulus spending accomplished we went from losing more than 800,000 private sector jobs a month to gaining 100-250,000 a month:


            • cjhutch

              That is all I have time for right now. If you would like more examples, feel free to look them up. They are not difficult to find.


            • Jack

              Oh please! For the first 2 years of obamas first term he had complete control of both houses. He could have done anything he wanted and he didnt. Obstructionism?? Has it ever occurred to you that those refusing to vote with the dems on those insane economic policies were listening to their constituents back home telling them how they wanted them to vote. Obama did not win a landslide, he had half the country disagreeing and obama refused to reach across the aisle. No leadership skills whatsoever, no clue how to get 2 sides working together like Reagon and Clinton and Bush. Harry Reid caused more obstructionism by refusing to even allow bills sent up by the House to even reach the Senate floor for a vote! Yes bills were sent up and flatly rejected. No offers of compromises whatsoever by Reid and Pelosi. Shameful.


            • fiona64

              Do the words Our first priority is to make Obama a one-term president ring any bells with you? They should. Your saint Mitch McConnell said them.

              The fact that you cite Dubya as reaching across the aisle demonstrates your lack of comprehension.


            • Jack

              Check your history, W reached across the aisle and let that buffoon Ted Kennedy write the No Child Left Behind bill. McConnell isnt my saint and so what if he said that they all say. McConnell knew they didnt have a majority.


            • mainemomma

              Check your history Jack. The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by RepresentativesJohn Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH).
              And, Karen Hughes ( Bush adviser) was a huge contributor to this mess. Note the first rep that was the co-author of the bill. Please read, and dont resort to bloviating.


            • Jack

              Whats the problem? I said Bush reached across the aisle to Dems and he did…whats the problem here?


            • mainemomma

              You can thank the democrats for health care. The number one reason folks go into bankruptcy, or die, is from lack of insurance. Your hyperbole about the dems is not surprising, just plain sad. Read and research, and understand that we have big problems that both sides have to solve. That includes the republicans.


            • Jack

              Guess what? Thanks to Jonathon Gruber everyone knows that the American people were lied to and considered stupid. Obamacare is a huge disaster, sticker shock is setting in and people are pissed! Theyve lost their doctors (that obama promised wouldnt happen), people now have to pay more for coverage that doesnt pertain to them. I had a great plan through my employer, it was changed to a high deductible plan $6000.00 I have to come up with before it pays for anything! You think thats a wonderful thing to put on the middle class and lower classes? Yes we had problems before but obama has simply compounded the economic mess with trillions of debt, a Federal Reserve pumping billions into the economy to prop it up…do you understand what that means? They are flooding the economy with dollars…what happens to the dollars value in that case? It falls…this is a dangerous move at trying to jump start the economy. 90+million no loner in the workforce


            • Jack

              By law, a hospital cannot turn people away from treatment in the emergency room if they cant pay…so I dont believe you can say as a blanket statement the number one reason people die is a lack of insurance….not true. Actually the #1 reason is heart disease and then malignant tumors.


            • Cat Buchanan(VA)

              Are you aware of how those poor people are taken care of in the ER system (that REAGAN implemented, btw)? The TAXPAYERS pick up the tab because most hospitals have an adjustment plan to help out with some of the cost. That adjustment comes from local, state and federal tax money. YOU pay for the working poor to have their healthcare through the ER. And you pay MORE for it since all ER cases are ACUTE.

              I, personally, almost died from pneumonia that I had to go to the ER for. I refused admittance, I refused x-rays and my only medication came from the ER GIVING it to me. Oh, and I was WORKING at the time and had to have the ER doctor call my manager before she would let me RETURN to work because she was concerned about me. I returned to work as soon as the ER doc and my manager allowed me to because I did NOT get sick pay. If I didnt work I didnt earn any money., I worked until my manager sent me to the ER FROM WORK because I was coughing up blood and about ready to pass out.

              So yes, the NUMBER ONE REASON PEOPLE DIE IS LACK OF HEALTHCARE DUE TO LACK OF INSURANCE.


            • Elfwitch

              You have no clue what you are blathering about. The ER will treat an acute threat like a heart attack or stroke. But say you have cancer they dont treat that they refer you to a clinic if your area has one. In my area it takes three months to get approved, then six weeks for your first appointment.The oncology clinic has a backlog and it can take several months to get your intake appointment. All that time the cancer is left untreated and growing.

              People without insurance dont go to the ER or doctor until they are very sick and so that puts them at risk.

              Diabetics and people with hypertension without insurance often skip doses of medicine to stretch them out or have to put off getting refills because of lack of money. Uncontrolled diabetes leads to strokes, kidney disease, heart attacks, amputation from infection, blinders and death.

              People die in America from lack of access to affordable health care.


            • Elizabeth

              And guess who is paying for those ER visits…you, me and everyone else, gee youre shortsighted…but thats the Republican way, isnt it?


            • Smalldeer

              Jack Obama never had complete control of both houses, you really need to stop listening to Fox:

              The president needed a supermajority because of the Republicans unprecedented use of the filibuster as an obstruction tactic theyve used it more than 400 times.

              But heres the deal the real deal there actually wasnt a two year supermajority.

              This timeline shows the facts.

              President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda.

              He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Frankens election in Minnesota and he didnt get seated for seven months.

              The Presidents cause was helped in April when Pennsylvanias Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties.

              That gave the President 59 votes still a vote shy of the super majority.

              But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission.

              So while the Presidents number on paper was 59 Senators he was really working with just 58 Senators.

              Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 but only in theory, because Senator Byrd was still out.

              In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedys seat in September.

              Any pretense of a supermajority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held.Do you see a two-year supermajority?

              I didnt think so.


            • Jack

              I never said anything about a super majority. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi were calling the shots for Obamas first 2 years. This isnt rocket science, Smalldeer. The democrats controlled both Houses, it is what it is. Thats how they shoved obamacare down our throats. Wasnt it Chuck Schumer who recently lamented they squandered those 2 years on healthcare when they could have accomplished so many other things?


            • elceecee

              There you go again, confusing the Faux News conservative with facts. They dont want facts, unless they can manipulate them to their advantage, at which point, they are no longer facts but have become opinion. And the conservative opinion is that Obama controlled both houses for two years. Nothing that you can will change their opinion.


            • Elizabeth

              Also a little technicality they chose to avoid is that Obama was trying to save our country and the world from a huge depression that the Bush administration got us into…I think Obama is a patient man and figured first things first and never thought the repubs would work against him so vociferably…they should rot in help for how theyve acted…too bad there isnt a hell!


            • cjhutch

              Ty for posting this timeline. I get tired of Republicans spouting this nonsense which you know they heard on Fox but of course Fox is even less concerned with facts than their base. You saved me having to research the timing. One thing though: the Republicans use of the filibuster is closer to 500.


            • Elizabeth

              Well done, Bravo!


            • Chicho Blanco

              You are a poorly educated, ignorant, white trash moron. He didnt have a filibuster proof majority for 2 years. If youre too lazy to present a factually correct article stay off the internet.


            • Jack

              He had a majority…if youre too mathematically challenged to understand when one number is larger than another and have to resort to the predictable liberal personal attack then there is nothing more to say to you.


            • cjhutch

              You definitely need to read that timeline again because you are clearly comprehension-challenged. Read slowly and carefully. Either that or stop pretending that you have any interest whatsoever in actual facts because that timeline is correct and you are just refusing to consider facts in favor of sticking with Fox talking points. Wouldnt it be nice to actually get it correct for a change?? Because, believe me, you are just stone cold wrong on this.


            • Smalldeer

              Jack which part of he needed a SUPERMAJORITY to get anything passed do you not get? He needed 60 votes to overrule the filibusters, he never had the 60 votes. Its really that simple, so no matter how you try to spin it, YOU ARE STILL WRONG.


            • Ron McKie

              really Jack?


            • Geraldine McBarker

              I disagree about no improvement. Do some unbiased research. This administration is not perfect we have never had a perfect administration. But a lot has indeed improved in the past 6 years.


            • Elfwitch

              Wrong the republicans have controlled one of the houses since six months after Obama took office. They have fought every job bill, they fought every attempt to improve the economy.

              Wages have been stagnating for forty years except for upper management.

              Your party cut taxes to the rich and at the same time involved us in two expensive wars with no way to pay for them so the deficit climbed.

              Your party fights to keep a bloated defense industry propped up and is spending over a trillion dollars on a jet. Yet your party wants to cut assistance to the poor.

              Your party has a bill to cut 20% of social security given to disabled Americans.

              Now please tell me if you are poor why the hell you vote against your best interest?


            • Smalldeer

              Thats because the of republicans blocking everything that didnt have to do with womens innards.

              Republicans have blocked every effort since the stimulus to maintain infrastructure, hire teachers, raise the minimum wage, give equal pay for women, stop special tax breaks for millionaires corporations (especially oil companies), stop tax breaks for sending jobs out of the country, provide student loan relief, help the long-term unemployed, and more. Instead they insist on even more tax breaks for oil companies and billionaires, on cutting environmental protections and deregulating oil companies.


            • vforba

              walmart will let you work lots of hours. and they do pay just over minimum wage. McDonalds has good programs to where you can advance and become a manager


            • Mrs_Spengler

              Wal-Mart lets you work long hours? What color is the sky in your world?


            • vforba

              I have a lot of friends and family members who work like dogs there and they work a lot of hours. Especially around the holiday but they work 40hrs a week.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Then get a second job other than the one at Wal-Mart.


            • Mrs_Spengler

              Wow, just like that, huh? First of all, I dont work at Wal-Mart. I use to years ago, but that was when the place was somewhat better. I still have friends that work there and its a thousand times worse than when I worked there. Wal-Mart is a notorious hours cutter. People who are suppose to be full time workers are working 4 hour shifts. Its easy to say, just get another job, but where are they?


            • dowsedinmud

              Yeah, my mom has worked at WalMart for 15 years as a manager and shes not aloud to have over time, ever.


            • vforba

              It probably also depends upon the state you live in and how well your store does. We live in a small town of about 2000 people but we made more money in the first year our walmart opened then they ever thought possible. We have people driving 20-30mins just to shop at our store because its outside of the city. They may not do overtime but they are not at a loss for hours.


            • fiona64

              walmart will let you work lots of hours.

              No, actually, they wont. They keep your hours to 30 per week or less so that they dont have to pay benefits.


            • vforba

              depends upon the store. A good friend of mine worked there for several months and could of had benefits if she wanted but didnt need them because of her husbands job. She ended up quitting and going somewhere else because it was too many hours for her


            • Jennifer Tarin

              I was working at McDonalds and was making $7.75 per hour-with a college degree. It was the ONLY job that I was able to get at the time. I was living in a homeless shelter at the time and as a result was able to save enough money to move to DC where I met and married my husband.


            • Kyle Schroeck

              Maybe because YOUR president made full time jobs a thing of the past by mandating healthcare.


            • Steven Nelson

              Full time jobs were going the way of the Dinos long before Obama. I worked for a company during Bushs time and office and even then when I hit full time with the company they had to offer me health care.


            • athynz1

              How about working in a trade such as plumbing, electrical, boilermaker? But no let me guess you want it easy… if you want to better yourself get off of your ass and do so rather than sit there and whine about it.


            • http://www.joelmeaders.com/ Shifty303

              I have no degree and make a very nice amount of money. If you pick a dead end job youre stuck and if youre a bottom of the barrel employee, well, someone has to be.


            • Jack

              You should thank the democrats and rinos who went along with these insane economic policies of obamas. do you have any idea how much it is costing companys to provide healthcare ins. To employees? Astronomical costs! I use to have great ins. Now its laughable! Businesses are looking to cut back hours and layoff people because its too expensive to do what obamacare says they have to do. If you raise the minimum wage youll see more people left go and higher prices on their products. Some smaller companies are choosing to close, tHe headache isnt worth it. Between the high taxes business have to pay, insurance costs, liabilities, payroll, inventory…its hard work making a dollar stretch. The environment right now is t that good for a lot of small businesses. These policies came right from obama and congress…


            • Jack

              Stop voting in leadership that doesnt create a business friend.y atmosphere. Why should businesses create jobs under obama? Between regulations, taxation, obamacare, unemployment, stagnation …where is the confidence to come from?


            • ClydeMcWhorter

              Hang in there and keep working on that rat job. Dont go to any of the labor unionslooking for an appreniship, usually start you out at $15- $20 an hour. But you dont want to pay uniondues . So forget that.


            • Andy Wallace

              Your self defeating attitude is sad. I do not know who made you think so little of yourself but your victim mentality is depressing. Libraries, internet, damn near free community college. Go learn something. It almost does not matter what. Find a marketable skill and improve on it. Does not matter if you like it. Find someone successful and ASK them how they did it. Find someone that has the results you have, learn from them, and do what they did. There are far too many examples of incredibly successful people that had no college degree for that to be a problem. Either you absolutely do not believe in yourself, you truly wish to live a mediocre life, or you are incurably lazy if you truly think there is no opportunity out there. You are FAR BETTER than that. You have potential you simply have to use. Sacrifice comforts, grow as a person, stretch your comfort zone and you can do great things. Start by believing in yourself.


            • Sam

              Its funny that you keep using the word they and by the rest of your diatribe, Im assuming you mean Republicans (along with the majority on this thread) are to blame.

              They didnt do anything to you. Both parties are to blameblame and your attachment to the Left is keeping you down. The Left started The War on Poverty 40 years ago and guess what? The same, and now growing as of late, percentage of people are still in poverty as when it started. Find your niche and your passion and go for it. Looking to be handed something because the system isnt fair wont solve your problem


            • local_gal

              there are people out there who will never get it. hmmm, work a full time job at minimum wage, barely pays the rent much less the other expenses that are necessities..not wants. Sure, get a second or third job and have no time to parent, take care of things at home, and the cycle goes on. Parents that are always working cant be two places at once. Yeah, some will just never get it.


            • tfrench10

              If youre working an average of 14 to 18 hours a week is it possible to work somewhere else 15 or 20 hours? I work a ft and a pt job. This is the world we live in. Not a Republican or Democrat problem. Its a people problem. Most people will do whatever they have to to live to survive. Blame only keeps one stuck where they are.


            • Andrew

              Since America is worthless, where are you going?? There are many countries where you can be the most talented person on the block. I hope you do well. By the way, who is they. You seem to really hate them. Maybe it is obvious to they.


            • Jerry Summers

              Who is they? Every single employer in the country? Bull, youre just throwing a strawman argument out hoping now see it for what it is. To bad they dont pay for whining, youd make a mint.


            • http://www.dirtworks.nethttp://www.newenglandnatural.com Dirt Works

              Real life doesnt work like that. Just because they told you that simple fairy story on Fox so you won;t have to care and do anything about the problems other people face or change any of your behavior to make things better for others doesnt make it true.


            • Jerry Summers

              Doesnt sound to me like you know Jack about real life. Ive washed dishes, layed pipe and everything in between, whatever it took to bring in a pay check. You think youre worth more than minimum? Prove it and youll get more.


            • Ellen H.

              He wasnt saying he was worth more than minimum wage. He was pointing out that he has compassion for what others are going though and understands that even though people may work hard, things happen that are out of their control. For example in Coffeyville, KS a lot of people lost their jobs because Amazon decided to mover that fulfillment center. I feel real sympathy for those people because I really doubt theyre all going to be able to find jobs quickly.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Okay, you feel sympathy or compassion for those who lost their jobs, now what?


            • Ellen H.

              You obviously dont since you refer to people who are struggling as boneheads and think everyone can do exactly what you did. Not everyone can.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Assume you are correct and you feel compassion as you keep crowing. Now what? Other than to accuse others of not feeling it, what do you propose? Are you giving up more of your wages to such people from that great job you claimed to have?

              Well…..now what?


            • Ellen H.

              Again, it is a complex issue that doesnt have a simple answer. A lot of the problems began when companies started using cheap foreign labor to produce what used to be made here.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Actually I only called one or two people boneheads, and that was because their comments were boneheaded.


            • Ellen D.

              Dude, reading your comments shows me you cant have a civil conversation with anyone. And compassion?? Where, your pinky finger? Go find a desert island where you can make all the rules. Move, bonehead.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Next time I will try to emulate the civility that you demonstrated in your own comments. That would involve calling someone a douche, correct?


            • Steve Bshaw

              Oh its Ms Sympathy again. What else do you do besides express how much compassion you have?


            • Ellen H.

              If you must know, Ill tell you. I give 10% of my income to my church. I donate to the food bank in town weekly. Every few months I also take various things SNAP doesnt buy such as Tide, Clorox wipes, toiletries, and paper products to them as well. I volunteer an afternoon a week at our local school in a tutoring program. I work on Habitat for Humanity houses when my schedule allows. My workplace sponsored fifteen families for Christmas with donations and shopping for them. I may have left some things out, but those are the things that came to my mind immediately.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Excellent. Of course, some of your friends here will not count your activities for or money given to your church as legitimate charity. I wonder what you think of that attitude among your compatriots. I think that stupid opinion is what motivated me to start posting on this story.

              As an aside, I was hired to work on a Habitat For Humanity house and it was the sloppiest work I have ever encountered. I hope that my single experience with their product is not indicative of their work in general.

              But keep up the good work. And dont equate lack of compassion with views that are different than your own.


            • Ellen H.

              I dont necessarily equate lack of compassion with views that are different from mine, but name-calling is not something people should do. Its rude and makes the person doing the hame-calling look bad. I think you can state opinions and not be rude.


            • Steve Bshaw

              And yet I dont see you sharing that opinion with those on this thread who agree with you, and the rudeness from that side is at least as bad as the words coming from mine. Can you explain your focus on the rudeness coming from the side of the aisle across from yours and not from your own? I think it is because you are focused on opinions that differ from your own, as I indicated. But…I am willing to hear an alternative explanation.

              And you didnt address my observation that your friends here seem to think that charity work for churches does not count as true charity. Why not?


            • Ellen H.

              My friends are fine with what I do. Yes, I have friends who are atheists, Pagans, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, and various Christian denominations, as well as all over the political spectrum. Im a republican but since I see myself as an Eisenhower republican, I no longer really fit in with the party. As far as the rudeness of others goes, from what I could see.you were rude first. While their rudeness isnt excusable, you get what you give. You could have simply said for the person to move but you chose to add an insult giving the impression that you were a rude uncaring person. In fact if you hadnt called the person bonehead, I wouldnt have even noticed you. You remind me of the person I know in real life who thinks nothing of being rude to others, but then when he is treated the way hie treats others, has a big fit about it.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Silly woman, but I am being redundant, the question was why you did not seem to be as hysterical about the much more egregious words being thrown my way as those that I threw the other way. Consistency lass, I know that so many dont like the idea of applying the same rules of judgment to people they agree with as they apply to others that they dont, but that doesnt change the rules of rationality.

              You, on the other hand, remind me of a friend who screams and rants about how horrible it is that people on the right do and say such and such. When I point out that her allies do and say the same types of things, she mutters well, thats not good. Thats just like you and your well, theyre words arent excusable.

              Yep, Im being stubborn, they are being firm in their principles. I am being rude, they are giving what they got. How comfortable you must be to never have to reason about your opinions or worldview…just feel.


            • VideoboyMatt

              I totally I agree, my worst job was in an un-airconditioned warehouse in Florida in the middle of summer pushing 800lb industrial equipment around for minimum wage, and people yelling at me all the time. I took the job because I needed to pay the bills. Keep in mind this was after losing my Project Manager job at a major bank in 2008 due to the collapse. The difference between successful people and unsuccessful people is that successful people do what it takes to get ahead, see problems as a challenge to overcome..while unsuccessful people blame everyone else for their problems, and dont work on fixing them. While the warehouse job sucked, it got me by for enough time till I could find something better.


            • subee

              You were lucky to get that job you hated. You are assuming that there are jobs galore everywhere. No, not even low-paying nasty jobs arent there in certain parts of the country. Realize this. Sometimes there are simply no jobs to be had.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Learn grammar before you post. And syntax, a sentence that is coherent is so much better to read than one that is not.


            • eminras

              Steve, congratulations that your life circumstances have encouraged you to be so flexible in achieving what you consider success.

              Having established that, you can kindly STFU and quit vomiting all over people with a clearly obvious projection of your exact circumstances skills, aptitude, savings, location, ability to switch location, unencumbered by the cost of moving family apparently, unencumbered by material commitments like houses and cars, unencumbered by medical expenses onto the OTHER 300 million people in America.

              A 7-year-old can automatically shout out the next step as it appears logically in a vacuum no jobs in your place? MOVE! no more jobs in the next place? MOVE AGAIN! too sick to find the money to educate yourself to get a better job? GET BETTER! but thinking adults know that life is far more complex and cant be solved by chest-beating feelgood bootstraps porn. GFY, and while youre at it try to examine the issues a little deeper instead of using issues like this as a way to assert your current winning streak.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Having established that, you can kindly STFU and quit vomiting all over people…

              Or what, little boy?


            • Sandy Moran

              Have you been an unpleasant person all your life? A schoolyard bully, perhaps? Do you verbally abuse your wife and children as well as strangers on the internet? I am just mildly curious, thats all.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Have you been an unpleasant person all your life? Fallacy of complex question. Try again cupcake.

              And you sound more than mildly curious. You sound upset. Is it something I wrote or how I wrote it? *sad music playing*


            • Sandy Moran

              Does trolling relieve stress? I am really curious about internet trolling. I cant imagine that you all go around doing this in person. People would shun you or slap you. So are you a sweetheart in real life, and have this secret super-villain identity online? I bet thats it!


            • athynz1

              So someone is supposed to be brimming over with love and compassion when confronted by this online vomit?

              Steve, congratulations that your life circumstances have encouraged you to be so flexible in achieving what you consider success.

              Having established that, you can kindly STFU and quit vomiting all over people with a clearly obvious projection of your exact circumstances skills, aptitude, savings, location, ability to switch location, unencumbered by the cost of moving family apparently, unencumbered by material commitments like houses and cars, unencumbered by medical expenses onto the OTHER 300 million people in America.

              Right. But let me guess in your world people like eminras are totally pleasant.


            • Ellen D.

              Why are you such a douche?


            • Steve Bshaw

              And by douche you mean you mean man who asked me several questions about my empty compassion that I cannot answer.

              I suppose I could answer that the reason is that I must perform the jobs for which douches are made. I think it involves cleansing and disinfecting, which the comments of those like your seriously need.

              You are welcome.


            • Ellen D.

              And now, youre now only a douche, but an ass as well. As a surgeon, I know quite, well the uses.


            • Steve Bshaw

              But as a surgeon, you are apparently unable to write a decent sentence. Interesting.

              And Doctor, you are the one who used the term. I simply extended your reference to its logical conclusion, much to your chagrin. I suppose that when your peers point out flaws in your work, you think them asses as well.


            • eminras

              Or what, little boy?

              Or youll continue to be derided via comments that get far more upvotes than any of your shallow self-stroking bootstraps fetish utterances.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Oh no, not derided by comments from the likes of you. How will I endure such punishment?

              Why on Earth do you think your opinions matter?


            • eminras

              Hahaha, no upvotes.


            • subee

              Steve: You do realize your arrogant proclamation is grammatically incorrect, do you not? If you are bringing debate down to nit-picking, then maybe you should back off the hubris.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Well please point out those those mistakes. I am always willing to become better informed and to improve myself. The first step in improvement of course, is to become aware of ones mistakes and shortcomings, the second is to accept that, and then work to overcome them. So assist away…

              You might begin by noting where the line is between a sentence that contains errors, and one that is so error filled that the proposition contained in that sentence is lost (like the one I responded to in my hubris), because it seems to me that the latter is a matter of importance with regard to communicating ones thoughts. But I await your own observations on this.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Your life choices might improve if you improved your writing skills. Or at the least, you should only post comments when you are sober. That last morass of words was simply painful to read.


            • Mommy Panda

              ,My husband did just that, as you said. He went into a trade. He started at minimum wage. Ten years later, he makes 26 an hour. He brings home 32000 a year, because he pays nearly 30% in taxes, even after claiming myself and our 2 children. we pay 12000 a year in rent, we pay 1200 a year in insurance, 3400 in utilities, 9,600 for food,4800 in gas/travel, 3000 in car payments/maintenance, an average of 4000 in healthcare. Add it up.
              Why dont I work? Because we cant afford it. The only jobs I qualify for a low level minimum wage jobs that do not advance very far, and the money that I would make, would be detracted in costs for a second car, child care. Working at a loss for 5 years before earning enough to profit is not a system that benefits people. I think instead of focusing on how to get people more money, we need to focus on how to make things cost less.


            • Amanda Roach

              Thats the *idea* yes, but any more its too easy for a business to maintain that as the only working wage for employees and just hire someone new when a long term employee quits in frustration. Yes, its very easy to think that way, but the reality of it is that sometimes thats the only available option.


            • GStorm

              Obviously you havent had to look for a job recently.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Or perhaps you are not aware of the different types of jobs that are available to those who are open to other possibilities.


            • Jerry Summers

              Doing that now and Ill do what ever is necessary to pay the bills. I just wont whine about it.


            • Momo

              You cant do that if the employers are all ridiculously greedy. Why do you think the wage gap has grown so astronomically? Have you looked at employment ads lately? Companies expect college degrees and are willing to pay about $10 an hour for skilled, professional work from someone with a degree. THAT is the problem. That is why no one can better themselves. Because keeping people at the low end is PROFITABLE. And whats better, they get idiots like you pointing the finger at the workers and blaming them. They have it made!


            • Steve Bshaw

              What is your degree in if you care to share that.


            • JamieHaman

              President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1933)
              By living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level, I mean the wages of a decent living.
              It should be enough that a person working 40 hours a week does not need any regular state or federal assistance.


            • Steve Bshaw

              And who is to pay this wage? And what if prices rise, do we impose price controls? And what if a person decides to have children, should we raise that persons wages accordingly? What if they want to have 4 children?
              Phrases like it should be enough… provide no answers to anything, they are just empty fluff.

              I think Jessica Alba should give me a massage tonight. Who do I see about that?


            • JamieHaman

              What part of A person didnt you understand?
              Just in case you havent noticed, unbelievably, Prices rose, costs increased, went up again, and wages, well wages didnt.
              Compare recent gas prices, to that minimum wage, compare it to how rents or housing purchases, or particularly, the cost of college has risen.
              Heres a chart for minimum wage increases from the time it was a quarter an hour.
              You can surely use your own brain to see increases in costs. Allow me to point out though, that in 1976, I paid a whopping 65 cents a gallon for gas.
              Heres another thing for you to think about, even if every single person of working age had a college degree, someone still needs to clean offices, deliver pizza, cook fast food meals, and take care of your kids while you are at work.
              We want all those people to be dirt poor? Its working.


            • Steve Bshaw

              And for a temporary period in the 70s you paid 1.00 a gallon for gas, far more expensive in relation to other prices than gas is today. And 1 year ago you were paying 3.50 a gallon for gas, and today you are paying less than $2. Imagine that, the price of a commodity changing according to supply and demand. But why dont you tell us what the proper price of gasoline should be and why.

              The cost of college however has steadily risen, institutions that are overwhelmingly ran by liberals. You should ask a college president why the cost of tuition has far outpace the inflation rate over the last 30 years. I have, and have yet to receive a coherent answer.


            • Autumn

              Did you manage that while raising kids by yourself? And no parents to help out?


            • John Lardinois

              33 Lines of Magic
              A Poor Poeople Hate Poem Written for Jerry Summers
              by John Lardinois

              Ok Jerry lets go through that logic. You start out in the work force at minimum wage. Then you better yourself from there. How do you go from minimum wage to bettering yourself? Well Im gonna teach all these stupid poor liberal commies how to do it, goddammit! (Sorry Jesus, didnt mean to take the leader of our countrys name in vain). All you gotta do is go to college and get a degree so you can get a real job and better yourself, silly!

              Step 1. Start at minimum wage. $7.25 per hour.

              Step 2. Work 40 hours (take note here, because most minimum wage workers are forced part time because it saves big corporations and Republicans tax money, so they actually work a maximum of about 25-30 hours).

              Step 3. Collect $1,160 per month for 40 fictional hours.

              Step 4. Pay your rent. Median US rent is $905. Average is $962. So to make it fair to both Republicans and Democrats, well average these numbers.

              Step 5. Your rent of $933 is paid (I actually rounded down in your favor, Jerry!) You have $227 left.

              Step 6. Pay your electric bill for the national winter and summer average of $107. (I rounded down again in your favor, my friend!)

              7 With $120 left, you pay your water bill. At $40 (my last residence actually had a BASE FEE of $40 that was added regardless of your total water usage, which was extra, and I lived only 2 miles from Lake Michigan, so hows THAT for rounding down in your favor, Jerry?) that leaves you with $80.

              8 With your remaining, measly $80 that you so desperately dont deserve because youre a lazy, freeloading liberal moocher, you decide to pay YOUR OWN health insurance called Obama Care that the freeloading dont want to pay anything liberass democraps voted for. Great! Lets play pretend castle fairytime and make up a magical situation where your federally required health insurance only costs $10. Yeah, ten bucks. Sound like fantasy to you? Thats because it is. It usually costs TEN TIMES that.

              9 but for your sake, Jerry, lets pretend.

              10 now you have $70 left. Dont forget car insurance! thats a law too! but you dont complain about that one do you? Why not? Because if some lazy mexican fender benders your nice Lexus, you sure wanna make him pay, huh?!

              11 Im gonna round DOWN for you AGAIN Jerry on this one!!! boy do you owe me a big favor. Im being really nice to you, buddy pal friend. So Wisconsin has the CHEAPEST average car insurance monthly payment in the nation at $91.

              12 you pay your required car insurance so you can GO TO WORK AND EARN YOUR MONEY TO BETTER YOURSELF and it leaves you NEGATIVE $21.

              13 Congrats, youre professionally poor. Just what the republicans wanted.

              14 but wait! were not done! since youre so broke, you have to live in an apartment that was built in the 70s, so now you have to pay a small (lol that was sarcasm) gas bill just to heat your own goddamn water.

              15 lets play fairy castle land again and say your gas bill is magically only ONE stinkin dollar! $1!!! wow!!! I wanna live there!

              16 well, surprise, youre still in debt.

              17 but wait! theres more! In order to better yourself, you need to go to college to get a degree so you can have a REAL job, right? Ok, so you pay for basic utlities like a cell phone (can actually be $10 if you get the absolute cheapest prepaid plan by law allowed) and internet. How much does the internet cost? Well the slowest internet that Charter offers in Wisconsin clocks in at $35 a month BEFORE tax as of two years ago.

              18 So now youre in the hole $67 even though you bought the absolute legally cheapest internet and phone plan available. Wow. Good for you. You really are savin a buck with that one! Having a phone and internet so bad that you struggle to communicate daily really helps you keep a job and get into college! I swear it! Moses wrote it in the commandments, remember? THOU SHALT GET INTO ANY COLLEGE BY HAVING A PHONE THAT CAMPUS RECRUITERS CANT REACH YOU AT

              19 I remember that commandment! how about you guys?

              20 Now lets backtrack remember in the beginning how I magically assumed you were getting the maximum 40 hours per week? Yeah, no bud, sorry, that doesnt happen. Lets play magic fairy land again.

              21 Average hours for those working minimum wage is…… drum roll…….. 23 hours. Ouch bro, ouch. That poverty is all on you, Jerry.

              22 at 24 hours, you ACTUALLY made $667 this month. So instead of being 21 dollars in the whole, youre actually negative $514. Wow. Wowww.

              23 but wait… the poor get even poorer!!! You wanna know why?

              24 YOU WANNA KNOW WHY JERRY???

              25 BECAUSE I ROUNDED DOWN FOR YOU JERRY.

              26 not when pretended health insurance was $10.

              27 Not when I joked that gas heat costs a single buck.

              28 not when I shaved off a couple bucks for rent, electric, and water in your favor jerry.

              29 no jerry, because after all these calculations i purposely left out the fact that if you make even a disgustingly small 667 dollars this month, jerry, that youre going to lose $222 of that to TAXES.

              30 TAXES THAT THE RICH DONT PAY, JERRY. republicans jerry. This is how you cocks make money. And thats rounding down YET AGAIN.

              31 So at $7.25 per hour, EVEN IF YOU MADE the FICTIONAL 40 hours worth of $1160, jerry, then after taxes, you still would be in the hole

              32 FOUR-HUNDRED AND FIFTY-THREE DOLLARS JERRY.

              33. And thats rounding down. Im out, bitches.


            • Jerry Summers

              Thank you John for going through all that effort to prove yourself a moron. Let me be clear, there is nothing you can teach me about being poor.


            • Jessica Corkie Billard

              So called job creators Americans so vigorously defend and worship are no longer creating those kinds of jobs. Half of our country is now at or close to poverty. Much of the gains were seeing in the stock market are the ability of companies to lay off workers, both skilled and unskilled. People say this gives us access to more cheap Chinese trinkets and gizmos, but the biggest parts of peoples budgetsessentials like food, cars, housing, education, and health care are now overwhelming peoples budgets. Neither party really represents the American people anymore. They have sold us on the idea that coddling the wealthy is beneficial for Main Street. America has been in decline ever since. You dont grow America from the top down. But if everybody who wants a job can find a job, and those jobs are starting at sub-poverty wages, everybody at the top is going to do much better as well. The problem is that the people at the top have become so addicted to hoarding wealth, power, and control that they cannot stop. And politicians and the corporate media are only too happy to oblige.


            • ClydeMcWhorter

              No, minimum wage. Is the lowest wage you can legally pay someone. It does not mean a starting wage
              or.


            • Nobody important

              HOw can you when most of the jobs out there are minimum wage and it is all you can get? Supposed to doesnt get wages increased. Most jobs now are minimum wage jobs. How smug can you get?


            • Donald Joyal

              You are completely out of touch with reality, Jerry, just like every other fing Republican I meet. What the hell is WRONG with you people? Do you not have friends and family who struggle financially? Do you not see whats going on in this economy? Idiots.


            • Eruanion Nolaquen

              This is a foolish attitude. i know people who were refused raises because You dont smile enough. Yet they were praised for how well they did the job. I know others who now work a job, at a low wage, who used to do things like manage the same type of place they now work, because the place they were working closed, or had to reduce staff, and now they cant get promoted because they are too good at their job. Minimum wage is not the starting wage, it is the lowest wage you are legally allowed to pay. Chris Rock said it best Paying people minimum wage is like saying Wed pay you less, but we arent allowed to.

              Anything to make you feel better about your crappy paycheck though. Remember, with a low minimum, an employer could offer you $1 more, and 20 cents a year, and you are not making minimum, but you also arent making good wages.


            • Mark1115

              Your reliance on insults indicates that you have no accurate rebuttal.


            • the dragon

              LOL. In this economy, in this country, with limited opportunities, how does one do that, exactly? I know how I did it, bu there was an extremely large amount of luck in my story. My story wouldnt work for the 50 million at or below the poverty line.


            • Hannah Bosworth

              No, minimum wage is to serve as a floor below wages, to reduce poverty and to ensure that economic growth is shared across the workforce. Which means wages were not allowed to fall below that minimum and a companys wealth would be distributed among its labor force. But please continue being the typical Republican that feels the need to insult.


            • Kwejeebo

              There are a lot of companies out there that you need to tell that to. Ive got a friend that ended up in management (I believe it may have been a McDonalds, but Im not 100% on that) and was still being payed the $7.25/hour state minimum. Minimum is not always just starting wage. Minimum can end up as being your wage, period.


            • Dave Cobb

              Yes that is the plan. But when every employee makes minimum wage except the boss, who is paid monthly, exempt from overtime, and has to work sixty to eighty hours a week bringing his salary to sub minimum wage, there just is no ladder to success.


            • Dee Zilske

              Minimum wage is no longer the starting salary for teenagers. Too many senior citizens and single mothers are trying to actually support families on this wage. You are oblivious, Jerry.


          • Amanda Roach

            Thats hitting the nail on the head. I have a college degree, certifications that allow me to practice nationwide and I still dont make enough working full time to pay rent for a low end apartment that wouldt fit myself and my kids in comfortably. IE: 2 bedroom apartments. Something has to change with the way we do things here. Now I have to worry about massive loan re-payment and how Ill find childcare for a second job I need but dont want.


            • Steve Bshaw

              What is your degree and certifications in, and in what city are these apartments? That really is the crux of this thread that, um, did I start it, I cant remember.


          • TheGuyinCharge

            Minimum wage is fixing the price of wages. Price fixing creates shortages. In the case of wages, it does this by pricing morons out of the job market. If I am forced to pay $10 an hour, I wont hire two no-skill dopes at $5 an hour, I will hire one more skilled and intelligent person who I think can make my business at least $15 an hour (because I am not running this business to break even).

            This also means that I wont grow my business, because where I might have hired morons to keep things neat and clean and improve my presentation and customer satisfaction and return business, I will now have to have a $10/hr worker do this low-skill work, if I want it done.

            Therefore, I will probably go out of business, because Wal-Mart can afford to pay morons more to keep the operation running smoothly. Which is why big companies often write regulations that raise barriers to entry in their industry.

            When I and many other mid-level and small businesses fail, the job market shrinks, and the poor are hit hardest. This is an unintended consequence of the minimum wage.

            The issue is a little more complicated than just handing out money.


          • Jack

            A minimum wage increase wont make any difference…what we need is leadership who knows how to create jobs by getting big govt out of the way of private enterprise.


          • Andrew

            When ever minimum wages are enacted, people lose jobs. See Spokane and Mn.


          • Andrew

            Minimum wage increases causes people to lose jobs, See Spokane & Mn. You are aware of the reason to increase wages of the 3% earning minimum wage, arent you?


        • weeshox

          IF that is true which I am skeptical about I say it is guilt money for all the other crap they pull throughout the year trying to keep the poor in their place.


          • hmschlpatriot

            What crap have I pulled throughout the year? Be specific and intelligent please.


            • Brenda Smith

              I seriously doubt anyone is talking about you as an individual.


            • hmschlpatriot

              I am a member of the they group that weeshox is ranting about, so I believe I am being talked about.


          • Jerry Summers

            And when were you ever poor?


          • Steve Bshaw

            You mean by giving them jobs, opportunities for advancement, giving to charity, creating a world where their own children live better than they did, advocating a economic system that will allow a poor person of marketable talents to rise above the level to which that person was born?

            Is that what you mean by keeping the poor in their place?


            • fiona64

              Wow. You really did drink the Reaganomics kool-aid, didnt you?


            • Steve Bshaw

              Ahhh yes, the hatred of Reaganomics…hmmm, lets see…

              92 consecutive months of interrupted economic growth, double that of the previous record, The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which, in real terms, had declined 70 percent from 1967-82, nearly tripled from 1983-89.

              During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

              inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%

              Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

              Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

              Real income for a median African-American family had dropped 11 percent from 1977-82; from 1982-89, coming out of the recession, it rose by 17 percent. In the 1980s, there was a 40 percent jump in the number of black households earning $50,000 or more. Black unemployment under Reagan in the 1980s actually fell faster than white unemployment. The number of black-owned businesses increased by almost 40 percent, while the number of blacks who enrolled in college increased by almost 30 percent (white college enrollment increased by only 6 percent).

              The peak period of youth unemployment for 16-24 year olds under Reagan was 1982, when it was 17.3%. Reagan reduced it to 10.9% by 1988.Under Obama, the peak for that same group was 19.1%. By 2013, the number was 16.3%.

              If drinking the kool-aid produces results like this, then start mixing. The country could use a few tankers of the stuff. Here endeth your lesson.


            • R. S. S.

              allow a poor person of marketable talents to rise above. Awww how cute. You still think that happens. Thats not the economics system Reagan implemented. Not the one the Bush Family furthered. And not the one Obama did any changing too. LOL.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Yes, I saw your whiny post above. So what are your marketable talents? Share them with us.


          • Andrew

            I say your opinion needs facts.


        • Brenda Smith

          I have no idea what political party is more generous but I have seen with my own eyes that people that arent religious are more generous than those that are. I work for tips, and cringe in my mind when I see people pray before their meal. I think their silent prayer goes something like this. God please forgive me for the pathetic tip I am about to leave. I know she deserves more and I can pay more, but I am cheap. Yes she always gives us Great service but I am going to leave a $3 tip on our $80 bill.


          • fiona64

            That is no joke. I remember when I worked in a restaurant in high school; there was one large family that came in for brunch every week after church, left a giant mess, and routinely tipped $1 on their huge bill. The waitstaff were expected to tip out from that to the bus staff and dishwasher as well. So, yeah.


            • Willow_wynn

              So what youre saying is every week theyd come in and whatever poor server got them paid to serve them instead of being paid to work. Thats just lovely.


            • fiona64

              Thats pretty much what it amounted to, actually.


          • James Nunya

            Work somewhere with cheaper food. Theyre paying their tip with whatever cash they have left (if theyre poorer going upscale) or they tip with whatever cash they have on hand (if theyre not so poor and paying with card). Most people are too stupid to realize they can tip with the card. Work around is to work some place with cheaper food. Worked for me anyway.


          • Willow_wynn

            I get that completely. Used to work customer service via call centers for a LONG time. I hated it when there was a priest of some kind on the line. They were worse than doctors or any other rude person Id ever get. Priests. Yes, priests. Well, that and men of any kind that thought a woman should be at home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Oi.


          • Jerry Summers

            lie much?


            • fiona64

              Im going out on a limb here and guessing youve never waited tables. If you had, you would recognize that Brenda is telling the truth.


            • Jerry Summers

              That limb you were standing on just sent you crashing to the ground. My mom worked 3 waitressing jobs after Dad died. I worked my way through high school doing the same thing. Sundays after church crowd were some of my best tippers. Ive done the work now and again as needs must. So no, I called her out on her BS.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Well done Jerry.


            • fiona64

              Maybe hell take you out on a date, Stevie.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Well that would put me one date ahead of you wouldnt it cupcake?


            • fiona64

              You know, I am flattered at your invitation, but I must decline. Im only attracted to men.


            • Steve Bshaw

              As are the men you date I suspect.


            • fiona64

              Poor little tiny-penis man-child …


            • Steve Bshaw

              Yes, so small, but yet so much larger than anything nature or God granted you in that same location. I guess Freud was right about some of you chicks and that specific kind of envy you suffer. Granted, your own equipment has probably become wider due to the frequent visits of those who rent the one possession of yours that holds a mans interest, so youve got that going for you.


            • subee

              BS. You worked in YOUR town and you had a slam-bang time doing it. Not every town/restaurant/diner is the same. Just because you had such a sweet experience doesnt mean everyone will. Wow, I just LOVE when folks post their personal experiences as true EXAMPLES of what life is like today and EVERYWHERE in the nation. Its so heart-warming, I just want to cringe.


            • Steve Bshaw

              You mean the way that others who agree with you only supported their views with personal experiences as true EXAMPLES of what life is like today… Oh, again, I forgot, your rules do not apply to you and others who think like you. I just want to cringe.

              Actually, I dont. I just snicker at your silliness masked as moral outrage.


            • Steve Bshaw

              So demand that your employer make up for poor tips. When did tipping become a right anyway?


            • Ellen H.

              When restaurant owners started paying their wait staff 2.13 an hour, expecting the customers to make up for their lack of a decent salary with tips. Thats why I tip at least 20%.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Again, when did it become a right to receive tips? Who made this rule for certain services?

              I wonder if restaurants owned by liberals do not allow tipping but instead pay a great hourly wage to their wait staff. Without passing on that cost to the consumer of course. To be fair you see.


            • Ellen H.

              Why does it even matter if a restaurant owner is conservative or liberal? In Kansas the minimum wage for servers who can be tipped i.e. sit down restaurant like Chilis or Applebees is 2.13. The owners expect their staff to be tipped so they dont pay them as much as the federal minimum wage. Its not a right; however, its frequently expected, especially for parties over a certain number. In fact its usually printed in menus the size of the party that they expect an automatic tip from.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Gee, thanks for that info that everyone knows. So again, do you know of any liberal owned restaurants where tipping is not allowed and wait staff is paid a high wage and that is not passed onto the consumer?

              Focus…focus…. The answer is either no, or you can give me examples of those that do.


            • Ellen H.

              Again, I dont find out, know, or do I care to know what the political leanings are of any restaurant owners. What does it even matter? No, I dont know of ANY restaurant owners, liberal, moderate, or conservative, that pay a high wage. Im sure you do since you know so much.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Ah, now the chick in you is coming out with a phrase like …since you know so much.

              Now think about why my question matters. Go on, you can do it.


            • subee

              It only matters to you, Steve.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Well, and others interested in economic principles.


            • fiona64

              And, in fact, income taxes are calculated on *expected* tips, not necessarily actual ones. So, it is entirely possible for a server to pay for the privilege of working on a given day if people like Stevie here are the customers.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Perhaps we should tip as a function of our income and not what the server does, sort of a progressive tip scale. Like taxes. You like a progressive tax rates dont you?

              Yeah, I didnt think you would like that idea. It sucks when its applied to you rather than someone else.

              How about minimum wage for servers and only call for tips at the discretion of the customer? Good job earns more money. Do you like that idea cupcake, or would you just rather harp about stingy customers?


            • fiona64

              You probably think Ayn Rand is a genius, dont you, little Stevie?


            • mdhome

              You sound like a cheap skate. Have you no sense of decency?


            • fiona64

              He has clearly never worked in food service, or he wouldnt act like such an arse.


            • Steve Bshaw

              No, I did work as pizza cook and I was rarely tipped whether or not the pizza was bad, great, or in between. And I have rarely been tipped in my other jobs even when the customer gushed about the results.

              Do I now earn points on your sensitivity meter? I can only hope….


            • fiona64

              I really am sorry about your microphallus, Stevie.


            • Steve Bshaw

              No worries cupcake. No matter how disappointed you would be in my size, I would still pay you your standard rate should I happen by the street corner where you strut. Five dollars, right? Oh wait, it would just be me, so you would not get your group rate.


            • fiona64

              Ive already told you, Stevie. Im only attracted to men, and you dont qualify.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Is that what you tell yourself each time they drop you off, that it wasnt the dollar they shoved into your money slot that sent you to your back, but that you were attracted to them? Well, thats what defense mechanisms are for.

              I see now why you dont want believe that money given to you to help you pay your rent is charity. But it really is you know.


            • fiona64

              Im sure you can save up the money to find yourself a rentboy, Stevie.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Why? Does your boyfriend or brother need money? I guess its a family thing with your clan.


            • fiona64

              Poor angry little boy. Did your hand turn you down?


            • Steve Bshaw

              It never turns me down, little dried up womb. And the good thing is, it doesnt bleed every month, become hysterical, and then blame everyone else for its problems. But of course, you know what I mean.

              Too bad you dont have a daughter. I am just not interested in any male you have to offer.

              The Freudian envy just keeps coming from you.


            • fiona64

              I suspect every woman with whom youve been involved is inflatable. ::shrug::

              But thank you for continuing to prove my point so well. You cant stand it when your privilege is pointed out to you.


            • Steve Bshaw

              If so, that inflatable woman would be more responsive than you, at least as articulate as you, but less used and filled with less hot air. Oh, and it would cost more per session. Too bad you dont have a daughter.

              But you did say something true, although by accident Im sure. I do feel lucky that I am a male, otherwise I would be simmering in all that Freudian envy that you feel every time one of your customers makes you peel those pants off. So, yeah, some privilege here.


            • Mommy Panda

              Yes, many do. In the state of Massachusetts server wage is the same as minimum wage. Its a right to get paid fair wages. If the system in place determines that the fair wages come from the customer in the form of a tip, it is a right. Just as you have the right to demand a wage, as do they. Or you could get up and get your own damned food. Since when was it a right to get served hand and foot and NOT pay for it?


            • Steve Bshaw

              I love buffets. And last I checked, customers pay restaurants in order to eat there, this includes all of the offerings a restaurant has, including being waited on hand and foot.

              And what has happened to tipping in MA? Is it still demanded that a customer tip, or is it now allowed to only tip for excellent service, you know, the original purpose of a tip.


            • Mommy Panda

              When I read menus, I see a listing of the price, and what comes with it. Table service is not typically listed in the price. Only in take out menus do they list a delivery charge. Thus, you can not assume that service comes with it. If you ordered a BLT that comes with fries, would you assume the drink was included? No.
              Ive never seen tip demanded anywhere. And yes, most chains in MA (like dunkies, starbucks, subway) where it is traditional to tip, do not even allow tips under any circumstance. Buffets as well. Sit down restaurants still allow it, but there are signs that say it is for exceptional service, and that the servers are paid a working wage.


            • subee

              Steve: For someone who is so righteous about work, you seem painfully stupid about the service industry.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Or perhaps informed about both ends of that industry. Or perhaps informed about other industries where tipping is not encouraged, or even allowed. Or perhaps curious why none of you here can defend your views with anything other than rants about how mean I am.


            • fiona64

              I havent waited tables since high school, sweetie. And you clearly never have.


            • Steve Bshaw

              So you moved on to better things did you cupcake? That sort of supports the point I have been making.

              And no, I have never waited tables. Should we examine the list of things you have never done and see what opinions you have about those things? Ooops, for the tenth time I forgot that your rules do not apply to you.


            • fiona64

              Thanks for continuing to prove my points about privilege so well, Stevie.


            • Steve Bshaw

              You made a point somewhere? That will be a surprise to the crowd.


            • fiona64

              Poor little tiny-penis boy …


            • carolgardner

              Never pay attention to the guy waving the flag.


            • Jerry Summers

              Thats ok, I never pay attention to bigoted idiots like yourself.


          • hmschlpatriot

            Baloney! I guess youve never seen any churches that have food banks or homeless shelters , right? Who do you think finances them? Non-religious folks? And perhaps your service wasnt as good as you imagined. Im guessing serving a large religious family gave you a poor attitude from the get-go.


          • Andrew

            I didnt realize that people that dont pray before their meal are not religious. How are you able to determine that? Some God given intuition?


        • Shana Haskell

          Even more surprising is that people who fall at or just above the poverty level are MORE likely to give charitable donations than the middle class or uber wealthy, and even then most of the wealthy only make charitable contributions for the tax write offs!


          • Andrew

            This is very true, but not surprising. Most of it is given thru their church because they may have been on the receiving end of church charity.


        • fiona64

          Actually, Andrew, this incorrect. Conservatives donate more in raw dollars *to their churches* (which is not really charity, but in fact goes to support the pastor), whilst liberals donate more in percentage of income to charities that actually help others. Just so you know. The $10 that a poor person gives to the foodbank is more of a sacrifice than the $10,000 that Mitt Romney donated to his church … just for example.

          Merry Christmas indeed.


          • Matt

            The Church that Romney donates to doesnt have paid clergy. They do have a huge humanitarian program though and most churches have humanitarian programs as well. Maybe you should check your facts before you make bigoted statements. In short, Conservatives are more generous than Liberals with their own money, and Liberals are more generous with other peoples money.


            • fiona64

              They do have a huge humanitarian program though and most churches have humanitarian programs as well.

              That LDS humanitarian program comes with the quid pro quo of having to listen to a lot of proselytizing.

              The Mormon church is a business (a corporation sole, in fact) with one stockholder: the sitting president. And that sitting president is kept in fine fashion by the peons at the bottom of the totem pole.

              BTW, as for checking my facts? My source is *primary.*


            • Steve Bshaw

              That LDS humanitarian program comes with the quid pro quo of having to listen to a lot of proselytizing.

              I like the way you label a church sharing its message as proselytizing. Do you use the same term to label the actions of PETA or Gay Rights groups?

              I think you will find that all large charities are corporations in the same sense of the word as the Mormon Church is. In fact, many of them are actual corporations.

              Do try to learn to be consistent in your opinions.


            • MIchelle

              Actually only 10-25% of donations made to a church go toward concrete charitable causes.


            • subee

              NOPE. I do a lot of community service work. While our grass-roots churches DO work hard to serve the poor, these little churches are very LIBERAL and do not support political agendas. These little churches struggle daily to feed the poor and shelter the homeless. They do not affiliate with political organizations, nor have a leadership who has an income above working poor. On the other hand, I have dealt with some big-box churches who insist on membership to their church in order to fulfill their 503 grants to assist the poor. These big-box churches have a very well-paid staff to see to the charity fulfillment, and will frequently turn away those in true need because the church has run out of resources for non-members. Go figure. And no, conservatives are not more generous with their charity, they are only more generous in terms of THEIR charities. THAT makes a world of difference, .


            • Steve Bshaw

              Everyone is more generous with THEIR charities than they are with charities that they do not favor. Thats what it means to make choices based on beliefs and values. I tend to vote for political candidates I LIKE, as opposed to those I DO NOT LIKE, or any other choice I make. I thought I would use ALL CAPS like you did to see if that helped.

              And again, is the staff of these churches paid any better than the staff of PETA, United Way, or Habitat For Humanity, and what does the pay rate of staff matter?

              Seriously, do you even think about what you are saying?


          • Steve Bshaw

            You should get your facts straight before you post. And you should also stop redefining what constitutes a genuine charity in your narrow little mind and then using your new definition to support your point. Or perhaps it escaped your notice that all charities such as PETA, United Way, or whatever liberal charities you support, spend most of the income they receive on salaries and other costs of operation.

            And that $10 a person gives to his church is more of a sacrifice that the time that Hollywood celebrities give to their silly charities of choice. Or did you not think of that either?


          • Andrew

            Google charity giving liberal vs conservative No need to thank me for doing the work for you.


        • https://www.facebook.com/benjamin.j.english Benjamin J. English

          Got any statistics, studies, or even a simple source for that little factoid? No? Didnt think so.


          • Andrew

            Google charity giving liberal vs conservative


            • https://www.facebook.com/benjamin.j.english Benjamin J. English

              So, no then.


        • flowerchld

          I know it probably makes you feel superior, but the fact is republicans donate more money to churches. The truth is that Dems donate more money to actual charities.


          • Andrew

            Google charity giving liberal vs conservative No need to thank me for doing the work for you.


          • Andrew

            Google charity giving liberal vs conservative No need to thank me for doing the work for you.


        • Thomas Milligan

          I doubt this is true, Id like to see your source. And if it *is* true, its only appropriate. You driving a Lexus and living in a million dollar home when youre not at your summer place on the Cape, you better be taking care for a couple of hundred of your fellow citizens *and* feeding a couple of African villages you selfish prick.


          • Andrew

            Google charity giving liberal vs conservative No need to thank me for doing the work for you. Have a 2003 Buick, 2004 Isuzu 1995 boat and paid $162k for the homestead and have worked with boys and girls club for 15 years. How much more money does our government give to Boys and Girls Club than Planned Parenthood?


        • Jeanette DeMain

          Ive never been asked when I write a check to a charity whether Im liberal or conservative. So Im thinking your statistic is bogus.


          • Andrew

            Just reporting what researchers have found. Do your own research. That is what most people would do,


        • Dawn Victoria Henke

          Funny, Im about as liberal as they come. Im a disabled Army veteran and just last week I went and paid off five different random strangers layaways at Toys R Us, because I remember what its like to be a poor kid and to get a box of crayons for Christmas, while all of the other kids get new bikes, scooters, video games, etc.

          Kids dont understand being poor, and its not their fault.

          One of the bigger items I paid off on one was a ninja turtles bike. That made me really happy.

          Another woman had only $25 on layaway, which she had paid $5 on. Imagine how much shes struggling to have to do that? I left her a $50 gift card on top of paying off her layaway.

          I have a TON of liberal friends that are running a toy collection/deliver for homeless children in the city I live in. We are servicing over 300 homeless or highly mobile kids this year. Because of school, I couldnt contribute time this year as I normally do, but I did drop off a decent sized check.

          Those damn bleeding heart liberals, what will they do next?


          • Andrew

            Congratulations. We need more people that do these charitable givings. We have been in the habit of paying for our military when they are in a restaurant or fast food place. Wish more people would do what you do.


        • ellenry

          I dont believe your statistics… Though some of that could be accounted for by the fact that most of the rich are conservative..because that is what keeps them rich. Liberals have much more compassion…but a lot less money to give away.. And I dont think donating to the ballet should be consdidered charity.


        • aleatharhea

          The only meaningful gauge would be percentage of income over cost of surviving given to charity. Saying that the group who has tended to hold onto political power and amass disproportionate wealth is more kind is profoundly stupid. They can simply afford to give more. In raw numbers, they have obscenely more to give, without even noticing. Poor people -who understand the real world and actually get justice and fairness, and hence skew liberal cant give $100 to a charity without noticing. They cant give $1 without it hurting. How stupid do you have to be to think absolute amounts mean jack when the difference in wealth between liberals and conservatives is so statistically significant?


          • TheGuyinCharge

            People who are poor are usually stupid, and people who are stupid are usually poor. Look up the data on IQ and income.

            That halfwits have natural fondness for handout politics, i.e., liberalism, is not all that surprising. Poor/moronic people are born liberals. When they are smart enough to earn anything, they begin singing the praises of self reliance.

            This is why the right to vote used to be conditional on property ownership. Because even the lowest imbecile is usually smart enough to vote himself my wallet. Even if hes too stupid for that, he will be able to grasp that Elizabeth Warren promised him an EBT card and the other guy said he should look for work.


        • ItsNicki

          That would be because they tend to be more religious and give their money to their churches.


        • Nobody important

          OH yes so that th eir shallow judgmental souls will get that I did the right thing feeling helping out once a year rather than voting for higher wages and actually you know HELPING the working poor throughout the year. Also the POOR are the MOST generous with sharing what little they do have. They know what its like to have nothing. Conservatives know what its like to condemn others.


        • Russell Hanson

          Total crock liberals are more likely to not announce there charible giving. Conservatives are more likely to say look what I did ,hey every body I donated to the ballet so the poor people can get culture, I gave to the church so they could build another palace.


        • elceecee

          Actually, that myth has been debunked, over and over again. The so-called study on which it is based looked at households with income beginning at $50k. The study found that households with income between $50k and $75k were more generous that households with income over $100k. Of the middle-income households, the top 5 giving states were Utah, and four Bible-belt states, drawing the conclusion that red states are more generous.

          So whats wrong with this so-called conclusion? At least two things, right off the top. First, the majority of the giving went to religious institutions with no analysis as to how much is given back to the community at large. I give to my church too. Churches need to pay their staff, maintain their buildings, keep the lights on. But ministers dont need to be getting rich from their flocks and that is often what happens in the Bible Belt mega-churches, not to mention that the Mormon Church rakes in roughly $7 billion annually, according to Reuters. Are they giving back to everyone in the community or only to their own members?

          Another factor not taken into consideration is the much higher cost of living in the blue states compared to the four Bible-belt states in the survey. A family living on $60k in Alabama should be living fairly well and should be able to donate more. Living on $60k in Massachusetts or New York, not so much. The MA or NY family may be in need of services themselves, living where rent can be $2000 a month without utilities.


        • Mark1115

          Your claim is not a fact. It a falsehood based on distortion.


        • Elfwitch

          That is a myth. When they actually looked at it they found that liberals give to charities like food banks, United Way, the Red Cross. Conservatives did give more money but they counted donating towards political causes, University sports programs and churches. Many of those churches do nothing to help


        • Pj Neeley

          Most of that charity goes to political organizations masquerading as charities, or to their own churches (at Christmas time for example) which may or may not actually reach people in need. I know you want to pat yourself on the back and take a cheap shot at assistance programs, but reality is not in your favor.


          • Andrew

            Are you referring to the Clinton Foundation?


        • TheKurgan

          Conservatives can afford to be charitable because they greedily hoard enough money that giving $1,000 bucks to the local food kitchen is the same as poor people spending couch-cushion money. No sympathy here.


        • LoveYourDNA

          There aint enough charity to make a dent in the issues at hand.


        • ocschwar

          Giving money to Joel Osteen does not count as being charitable.


        • the dragon

          That all depends on how you define charity. Giving to a church is not charity. Giving to a political party is not charity. Giving to a charity with a high overhead really isnt charity.


          • Andrew

            Charity does not include church giving or tithing. Of course the most important gift is a gift of your time. Again, conservatives are far more generous with groups such as Boys and Girls Clubs, Scouting groups and youth and sporting groups. Also civic groups groups such as Kiwanis, Rotary Club and the Military Service groups such a American Legion, VFW etc.


          • Andrew

            You mean like the Clinton Foundation? That kind with 90% overhead?


            • the dragon

              That conservative meme has been disproven as BS. Do a little more research.


        • Duckbudder

          BULLSHIT


          • Andrew

            How can you argue with that kind of logic.


        • Victoria Gutshall

          Thats not actually true. Those figures come from the IRS, which only means that conservatives are only charitable when it will get them a tax deduction, while liberals give from their heart, and rarely bother using it as a tax deduction. Also liberals are far more likely to donate their TIME and LABOR than conservatives. I have given a lot over the years, and never once used it as a tax deduction. To me, claiming it only negates the whole purpose of giving to charity.


          • Andrew

            Facts prove you wrong


        • Bojorco

          Good grief, what about the article does this factoid change, assuming its true?


        • Toni Parks

          To their churches.


        • JayM12345

          Real charities or just ones that either benefit rich people, Christians, or only try converting people?


      • Nathan Dolan

        When did they say that? What was the exact question asked


      • Jerry Summers

        Id be willing to bet neither you nor the ditz who wrote this have ever gone hungry in you lives.


        • Shannon Argueta

          Awww thanks for the compliment Jerry. I appreciate all of my readers, even the cute little trolls who make assumptions without any facts to support those assumptions.


        • Steve Bshaw

          And when have you gone hungry, and why does that matter?


          • Jerry Summers

            As a child and it matters because I probably have a much better understanding of being poor in this country than the partisan idiot that wrote this crap.


      • KAMGlosta

        Thats probably because the people who actually work and PAY for their health insurance can barely afford it. Meanwhile the poor get healthcare for FREE from those who actually WORK for it.


        • fiona64

          Meanwhile the poor get healthcare for FREE from those who actually WORK for it.

          Citation needed.


      • Michelle Smith

        Id love to meet that 65% the GOVERNMENT chose to ask and Id bet you a million bucks they are the same doesnt qualify for food stamps folks in the article ..and their political leanings had nothing to do with their answer. Youre mad? Good! Be mad! But point the anger in the right direction-at the crooks in certain parts of government that are lining their pockets while other starve, that are allowing big corporations like MONSANTO to poison us for a buck while feeding their own children organic; that are suppressing important studies that show clear cause and effect for cancer so families are devastated emotionally and financially by cancer-that was preventable-so the big drug companies can continue to line their pockets; That prevent natural remedies from hitting the mainstream markets because they will cost us LESS and well stop buying their DRUGS that we dont need, and the list goes on. If we continue to fight amongst ourselves we lose-so much


      • Ray Glover

        You have a legitimate source for your poll figures there Spot, or would you like some more toilet paper to wrap them in?


        • Spot Ries

          just because you cant handle the truth, doesnt make it a lie.


          • Ray Glover

            Oh I can handle the truth just fine. That is why I asked for the source.
            Would you prefer Charmin or White Cloud?


      • Joe Cottereuax

        I dont often speak to Obama voters, but when I do I say Ill have fries with my burger.


        • Spot Ries

          ow. my sides.


        • Spot Ries

          I voted for Obama and I made just shy of $85k last year.


          • Joe Cottereuax

            good for you, you are one of the few.


      • imabeast7

        85% of democrats own the hardees and wont pay their employees enough to get ahead but still tell you that they are for the good of the poor and you should vote for them in a country that is a republic! Smh simple minded ppl.


        • Spot Ries

          just keep telling yourself that as they take everything you have, citizen.


      • Jason Maffettone

        May I ask WHO are all working at Hardees? Republicans?
        Thats clearly nonsense and the fact that you seem to use this lowly
        employment as a pejorative shows considerable contempt for the working class as
        well.


        • Spot Ries

          I dont always talk to Republicans. But when I do, I always supersize.


          • Jason Maffettone

            Again, what does that even mean?


            • Spot Ries

              It means after 35 years of trickle down economics, union busting and right to work laws, people in the south are left with menial fast food/retail (Wal-Mart) jobs and will be lucky to break the $10/hour mark. Theyre all fry cooks.


            • Jason Maffettone

              Ah, so this is yet another Its all poor peoples fault argument. It just goes to show that liberals are, in the end, just half-assed conservatives who hold working people in as much contempt as their brethren on the right. Not to worry, the U.S. will go down in flames soon enough (as it deserves) and we can all get together and work things out. Ive always wanted to build a guillotine…


            • Spot Ries

              Who said I was a liberal?


      • Barbedwire

        Dont believe that 65% comment. Wheres the documentation?


      • Chris Lowe

        And Medicaidcustomers do not get the same treatment as regular insured folks, either medically or considerately.


    • James

      after working 60 hour a week all month and you end up with $25 when all the bills are paid you still qualify for Welfare


      • Angela Berry

        Im guessing you havent applied for Welfare in the last decade. Just to get food stamps for a family of 3 (lets say a single parent and 2 kids), you cant make more than $2144 (before taxes and other deductions) a month. Take that 60 hour work week and a job that pays $8.00 an hour and for the month youve made $2880 (before those taxes and other deductions). You just made too much for Welfare, and after those bills are paid and you have that $25 left, looks like ramen noodles and hot dogs for the month.


        • Grannyb2

          Your math is off. 60 x 8 = 480 x 52 = 24,960 / 12 = 2080.


          • ClydeMcWhorter

            What does this represent?


            • Reya

              James income.


        • NorthWoodsWoman

          $2144!!! Holy shitballs thats a lot to begin with! Thats more than my take home after taxes and I work for a law firm!!!


          • JustAWombat

            $2144 a month for THREE people. Depending on local cost of living, thats not a living wage. Plus, dont food stamps usually have a higher cutoff than SSD?

            National average salary is based on a 40 hour work week. If a person works 60 hours/week , one would certainly HOPE that she would make more than the average 40-hour employee!

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    • buricco

      I sometimes get my hygiene products for LESS than a dollar if its on sale at the supermarket, the same stuff they sell at the dollar store. Always be on the lookout for deals.


      • Amadi

        Its cute that you think that people living in poverty arent better skilled at shopping for bargains true bargains and saving every penny they can than anyone else.


        • buricco

          You realize *I* live below the poverty myself.


    • Joe Langella

      Fascinating! I find it amazing how liberals never ever take responsibility for there own failed policies? So let`s look at undisputable facts that only democrat sheep would try to wiggle there way out of. let`s just look at one state new York. It`s biggest city n.y.c has a communist mayor a ultra liberal city council a extreme left wing governor and it has been this way for decades oh and a liberal president . But somehow conservatives get the blame when they have absolutely no stake or say in the decisions??? This must be the common core teachings that the left use to indoctrinate and dumb down the recipient class because there is no logical way if you have a drop of common sense if you believe republicans are to blame for this. But I am sure there will be plenty of personal attacks instead of honest debate.


      • Jeff-o-matic

        Joe, the fact that you open your rant by speaking in terms of absolutes (…liberals *never ever* take responsibility for their own failed policies) suggests that any argument you make afterwards is going to be flawed…

        …And perhaps you would entertain the readers here by defining 2 instances wherein conservatives took responsibility for *their* failed policies…? I figure that if you feel justified in chastizing liberals for not doing something, it is rational for you to showcase conservative virtue by giving examples of conservatives doing that very thing…


      • http://shetterly.blogspot.com/ Will Shetterly

        Are you seriously arguing theres less poverty in Republican states? Google has some surprises for you.


      • LG Phillips

        I can see the spittle flying from your mouth Joe…


      • Judson Snell

        Of course theres going to be personal attacks. That is why youre here, isnt it, prole? BTW, debates out the door. You didnt put up a single fact or a real point. Simply regurgitating tea party pablum while barking like a seal isnt debate. As soon as I see words like communist, socialist, nazi, etc, I know youve already flipped over your lone pair of face cards. You represent the party of Randian self-interest and self-servitude, draped in the cloth of patriotism and liberty: Screw everyone else, i got mine…. until i need theirs, then thats mine too. Think beyond your incomprehensibly small role in the arc of human history. (Yes, Otis, all 6000 years of it)


      • fiona64

        Wow. A lot of ranting but no facts whatsoever. Quelle surprise.



      • two puppets on different hand, same person working the puppets. There is no different between the Democrats and the Republicans when you are poor. They both want to make sure you stay poor, one for votes, the other so you cant vote. ( yes this is at a super super basic level) Forget about the thing you dont have control over. Stop playing the game, and make the change in yourself you wish to see in the world. You will be shocked on how much around you will also begin to change. Personal responsiblity for all your actions.


      • Ben Steel

        Were you going for some kind of conservative buzzword record or something? You even managed to shoehorn the Common Core in there. Apparently all that cramming talking points in didnt leave room for any actual facts…


      • poisonalice

        Oh, its so cute that you think Andrew Cuomo is extreme left wing just because of a small number of policies, perhaps his gun law (and plenty of us liberal New Yorkers HATE the SAFE law, but we also tend to be rural and know the importance of hunting to provide food for us during winters), maybe his stance on womens reproductive rights. But he has teamed up with the Republicans many times more than with the Democrats, and his economic policies are VERY conservative, especially towards big businesses, Wall street the financial sector, and social services.


    • http://itsrobertsfault.blogspot.com/ Liberal Texas Democrat

      But if I dont give my neighbor a ride, its a three mile walk to the Family Dollar or a three mile plus a block walk to the Dollar General. The bus is $1.50 in each direction. Once youve taken into consideration the time for a six mile walk, or the $3.00 bus fare the dollar store deodorant may not be the bargain you believe it to be.


      • hmschlpatriot

        If one has a car wouldnt they be using gas to get to the dollar store? Nothing in life is free.


        • Cricket

          Sometimes the Dollar Store is good youre going by it anyway. If youre not what LTD said.


      • Matt

        If its really that hard, a bike is a good investment. You can find ride-able ones on craigslist for $75 and locks for $10. Like hmschlpatriot said nothing is free.


        • fiona64

          Yeah, because the working poor just have $75 lying around …


        • Cricket

          And a bike isnt much good in a lightening storm or winter, or when you have to get past some cats cradle of highway interchanges… or when youve got kids.


    • Laura Rolston

      This was my childhood. So glad my future looks brighter now.


    • hollyh58

      When my kids were growing up I was a stay at home mom. Firstly, any day care expenses would have eaten my entire take home pay. With both my husband and me working we didnt qualify for day care assistance. I often took part-time jobs in the evening as my husband worked six a.m. to 2:30 in the afternoon. But they were low wage jobs and they kept cutting back everyones hours while hiring new people. We didnt qualify for food stamps. They always made it so somehow you didnt qualify. We often had to rely on charities for help with utilities. But they wouldnt help until you had a shut off notice. By the time the shut off notice came, you were three months in arrears. Then the charity org. would only pay $100 of that, so youd have to go to the next charity organization. This was quite time consuming. We went to food banks and borrowed friends addresses so we could go to multiple food banks all over the city. You can only go to your neighborhood food bank once a week. We also had to rely on the kids family support worker to help with clothing. There was Operation School Bell that would supply them with jeans, sweats, underwear, socks and a winter coat.


      • MIchelle

        Holly, you made a really important point about how time consuming it is. This is true whether you need assistance from private or public sources. It is a full time job to be poor.


    • Rose Bounds

      Ive had a decent enough job since last July but in my line of work theres almost no work for the month of November and in the month of October I make more than I will make any other single month of the year. My husband is on disability and if I make more than x amount they begin to cut his check to make up for it. So heres what my Christmas looks like this year even though I have a job. In November they cut his benefits and our food stamps because I made a little more than 200 dollars what I normally do in October. After November 07 my hours plummeted. By my Birthday Nov 15 I had worked a single partial shift just one day. Knowing this I made sure to budget for every single bill to come out of my pay check and his check both which came Dec 01. We went without every extra and I didnt get a birthday (but at 35 I suppose thats okay) Then the insurance hit us with a balloon payment which is more than double the normal monthly payment. I got paid on Monday the 15th, the same day the insurance comes out of the bank. I did not make enough to cover it. Today is the 18th, just a week before Christmas. I am a little more than 200 dollars in the red and the fees will start coming any day now. I have no money to put gas in my car or to pay the parking garage fee next to the office. I worked every day that I could. I havent had a real cup of coffee in a month. All I wanted to do this year for Christmas was see the Hobbit with my best friend and buy a toy for Toys for Tots so I can say I gave at least 1 gift. Its not going to happen and rather than celebrating the holidays this year I will be watching the fees add up with a knot in my stomach and praying I can get some holiday overtime. This is my experience and its shared by millions of Americans who want to break down in hysterical sobs with every Kay holiday kiss, Lexus lease or Santa surprise. Im just grateful I dont have children I would have to disappoint.


      • Whitney

        Rose, this broke my heart. Were almost in the same situation, and I know how it feels. Inbox me on facebook, were getting you those Hobbit tickets!


        • fiona64

          Whitney, that is a real kindness. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for helping a stranger who wanted something so simple.


          • Whitney

            I just hope she gets in touch with me. The offer was sincere, but I havent heard from Rose yet.


      • Kathy Stuart

        Ive been exactly where you are Rose and for the most part I still am. I do wish that the greater public was even half aware of what the working poor/disabled go through in this country. Every minute of every day is a struggle.


      • Songbrook

        Where do you live? I never heard of them cutting someones disability because of how much a souse makes. If that were the case, Id not get any of mine.


    • http://shryve.webs.com/ William

      The working poor worst nightmare can be not having a automobile because in many areas the downtown areas are being taken over by the wealthy and the working poor are forced into the suburbs where the public transportation may be nonexistent………….


    • NorthWoodsWoman

      Why are people having kids if they cant afford them??? Half of the struggles listed here had to do with having children. I can understand if you already have children and are hitting a rough patch but this article is obviously targeting the perpetually poor. I have struggled in the past with poverty, and at the time I would never dream of trying to budget a pet into that mess, let alone a child! I realize with assistance the more children you have, the more assistance you can get. I had one government worker tell me, when I was struggling to put food on my table, that I should think about getting pregnant so I could qualify for more assistance. Seriously? Thanks but Id rather pay the cost of a box of condoms than deal with an 18+ financial burden, that I dont want, and shouldnt even have, when I can barely take care of myself.


      • fiona64

        Why are people having kids if they cant afford them?

        You do know that a) people may fall on hard times after they have kids (which is what happened with my family), and b) that reliable contraception costs real money?

        Wow. Your privilege is showing.


        • NorthWoodsWoman

          You do know that a) if you actually took the time to read what I said that I mentioned I was not referring to people that have fallen on hard times. I was referring to people who choose to have children while struggling for a bigger pay check. And B) I grew up dirt poor, in that we actually had a dirt floor. My Dad was a coal miner in western Kentucky. I have been on SSD and welfare. And have spent The majority of my life in the bottom 2%. Just because I choose to pick myself up and get an education does not make me privledged. I just didnt want to spend the rest of my life eating mustard bread. Yep we ate mustard bread, sometimes that was all we had to eat for days at a time, because we couldnt afford butter.


          • fiona64

            You dont understand what I said. Privilege is not about having stuff or money.

            There are people who do not have the wherewithal to pick themselves up and get an education. That you *did* shows some level of privilege that others do ot have.

            You would probably shit a green kitten if someone told you that you had no business making your own reproductive decisions, wouldnt you? So, why do you think you have the right to do that to others?

            When you have a job with no benefits, but make too much to use the sliding adjustable fee scale at Planned Parenthood to get effective contraception, what do you do? And what do you do when the radical anti-choicers manage to get your local womens clinic shut down because OMG ABORTION eleventy1!!!! Just hop in your non-existent car and drive to another one that might be hours away or in another state?

            And save your get a box of condoms nonsense; the failure rate is nearly 18 percent. Sure, its better than nothing … but theres still a one in five chance that youre going to wind up pregnant if the stars align properly. And just as much as you whine about welfare queens having more kids to get more money (which is a myth), Id bet the proverbial nickel that you think that those irresponsible s!uts shouldnt be allowed to have an abortion without understanding that the procedure costs around $400 that the person who is debating between the electric bill and the grocery bill probably doesnt have lying around.

            Good lord, woman, you really dont get it at all.


            • NorthWoodsWoman

              If its such a myth that you dont get more money if you have more kids, than why is it a fact that you actually do? And why did a government worker, advise me to get pregnant, so I could qualify for more benefits?

              I understand not everyone has the ability to get an education. The other ten of my siblings are still in Kentucky. That doesnt make me better than them. I just didnt want to be dependent on other people to get by. I wanted to make my own way in the world. If that makes me privledged than Im damn proud. Its not easy leaving everything you know and love to try and make it better for you AND the people you love. According this article, people are stuck being poor and I am living proof thats not always the case. Determination, hard work and a strong will, can actually make a difference. The hardest part was having the guts to try. My take was always, if I fail, I wont be any worse off than I was before. Read the profile of the woman who wrote this article. Shes just as privileged, if not more, than I am. Writing a nationally recognized article, makes me guess that shes not having mustard bread for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

              I consider myself an independent, but where I come from, and its one of the most poverty stricken areas of the country, about 99% of the people are conservatives. In fact the majority of the south, especially the poor south, are conservatives. Does that mean they hate themselves? According to this article conservatives are poor hating devils. I get the point the author is trying to make but the facts dont add up. I tend to see the world in shades of grey. People cant be put in just two categories. America is too diverse for that.


            • fiona64

              Its not easy leaving everything you know and love to try and make it better for you AND the people you love.

              That you have the wherewithal to do that is demonstrative of privilege.

              Look, I get it. I left the state where I grew up, got an education, etc. And do you know what? I recognize the privilege inherent in being able to do that.

              Determination, hard work and a strong will, can actually make a difference.

              Do you imagine that the working poor, many of whom work two or more jobs to try to make ends meet and still cant quite manage lack determination, hard work and a strong will?

              You need to read Barbara Ehrenreichs Nickled and Dimed. It will open your eyes to what reality is for the working poor today in most parts of the US. Not everyplace is Butcher Hollow.


            • Nathan Dolan

              It must be nice to believe that the poor have no controll over what happens to them.


            • fiona64

              More privilege showing. Quelle surprise.


            • AJCoog

              Because you believe in the perpetuity of poverty does not make it inescapable. You believe it is an insurmountable barrier. That if only folks somehow understood the mountainous suffering required to be poor. Yes, its a sad story. Heres a violin. Yet, how do you account for the millions who manage to leave it behind? Do you somehow attribute their striving to some indefinable privilege which does not in fact exist. All that exists is a simple determination to change ones outlook. Worse, you seem oblivious to those immigrants who come here from truly war-torn, disease-ravaged and poverty-stricken places who see the American working poor here as far, far better off than they themselves were in their homeland, yet cannot fathom why they remain poor, given the opportunities for self-improvement in the worlds super power.


            • MIchelle

              Millions who manage to leave it behind
              Where did you pull that estimate from?


            • fiona64

              He pulled it from his arse.


            • fiona64

              Worse, you seem oblivious to those immigrants who come here from truly
              war-torn, disease-ravaged and poverty-stricken places who see the
              American working poor here as far, far better off than they themselves
              were in their homeland, yet cannot fathom why they remain poor, given
              the opportunities for self-improvement in the worlds super power.

              Other people have it worse is another demonstration of privilege-blindness, AJ.

              The truth is that opportunities for people to rise from poverty to the middle class are shrinking every day in this country, thanks to GOTeabircher policies.


            • AJCoog

              All youre doing is perpetuating a myth that poverty is inescapable and blaming it one some phantom conspiracy. Youre focusing on some imaginary negative to what end I cannot imagine. How does pushing that ideology inspire or motivate anyone to change? If one believes he cannot rise above his circumstances, that change is impossible, why should he try? That is a poisonous outlook. That outlook is its own prison. Its self-defeatism, when the opposite is quite true, especially today.


            • fiona64

              I am pushing something called *reality.* The ability to rise from poverty to the middle class is shrinking because of conservative policies that only help the already uber-rich most of whom did not get there through hard work, as you and your ilk continue to shout, but through *inheritance.*


            • NorthWoodsWoman

              Fiona, I understand what its like to be tired from working. I worked three part time jobs, which equaled about 50 hours a week, plus I went to school full time. I couldnt get a full time job with benefits. I understand that not everyone is me, but to say its impossible is ridiculous. This country was built by Immigrants who had nothing. I see a lot of people who make poor choices in their finances, and that causes a deeper dive into poverty. So many have cable and dish service when they cant afford food. Or cigarettes and booze is bought before formula and diapers. And then they claim they cant afford the basics?
              Im currently working full time and going back to school for my MA in Urban Studies, so Im familiar with Nickled and Dimed. I now live in a big city and an active in working in the poorer communities. Im aware of the different faces of poverty. To stereotype and name call me for where I come from is pretty low. Had I been from an urban area with a different background Im sure you would have avoided it because it wouldnt be PC. It isnt right or acceptable to use a derogatory term based on any race, ethnic or cultural differences. You took the conversation from intelligent debate to ignorance. Despite your continued misuse of the word privilege. Look it up on Websters, it means a right or benefit that is given to some and not others. I wasnt handed an education. I earned it. It came from blood, sweat and tears.

              Fiona, I wish you all the best!


            • DB Ruberto

              At least in Michigan, New York and Virginia that is a lie (about having more kids = more assistance). BTDT.


            • athenap

              Because *you* dont get more money for having kids. The additional assistance is meant for the kids. And as someone who has kids, the kids cost more than the assistance gives.

              Your unique situation does not negate the reality of the millions of people in the struggle. It completely dismisses the complex realities of family planning in this country, as well as the complex realities of poverty. Falling on hard times is not a day or a week or a month-long event. It happens over years.

              A comfortable family in a middle-class home can find themselves not suddenly out of money and resources and options as if a fire swept through, but have been in a situation where every year the little necessities creep up, while the wages stay the same, leaving less and less extra, and then pretty soon, nothing extra, and then soon after that, underwater. Before you suggest a shrug of the shoulders and the eternal wisdom of, get a better job, remember that stability is a scarce commodity in this country. The reality is that people with responsibilities of children and families will *stay* in a job that cant cover their bills because at least that job is consistentthey know when and how much they can bring home, and how much flexibility they have if kids get sick, how much gas they need to get back and forth. Trading all that for the risk of a higher paycheck that may cost more in gas, and leave them unable to leave to get a sick kid, or leave them with higher-costing health insurance (or none at all).

              As to your question about the conservatives being poor-hating devils, you need only to look at all the legislation sponsored, promoted, and pushed through by conservatives. I do not believe poor conservatives hate themselves, but they do seem to hate other people in their same situations and are more than fond of the notion that what aid they, themselves, receive, is because they have fallen on hard times and deserve assistance, while they are more than willing to believe their neighbors are just lazy gits who dont want to work and dont deserve help.

              And yes, they do vote against their own best interests. Every single time I hear a low-income conservative complain about how they were turned down for assistance when they needed it, its because someone else who voted the same way they did, decided somewhere down the line that they were the best judge of other peoples money and decided that what they made was too much for aid.


            • fiona64

              I do not believe poor conservatives hate themselves, but they do seem to hate other people in their same situations and are more than fond of the notion that what aid they, themselves, receive, is because they have
              fallen on hard times and deserve assistance, while they are more than willing to believe their neighbors are just lazy gits who dont want to work and dont deserve help.

              My husbands family were great friends with author John Steinbeck (he was college roommates with my husbands great uncle). Anyway, he had a great quote about this very thing:

              Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

              Johns statement is the only explanation I have for why those who are barely making it vote Republican. :-/


            • Matt

              You pretty much sum up the difference in attitude between Europe and the USA. European poor portray themselves as victims and demand entitlements, while American poor (traditionally) view their poverty as temporary and believe that they are in control of their own destiny. Thats why America is exceptional. We believe barriers are a challenge we can overcome.


            • Nathan Dolan

              You might get farther if you talk about what she actually said rather than go off on a rant berating her for things she never said.


            • Steve Bshaw

              This silly person wrote:

              There are people who do not have the wherewithal to pick themselves up and get an education. That you *did* shows some level of privilege that others do not have.
              Response: Or is shows drive, initiative, and a decision to delay present gratification to attain a future goal. How the hell do you know what privilege this person had?

              This silly person wrote:
              You would probably shit a green kitten if someone told you that you had no business making your own reproductive decisions, wouldnt you? So, why do you think you have the right to do that to others?
              Response: Having sex is a decision. It can carry consequences. You seem to want the rest of us to share in the consequences of your decision. Oh, and by the way, making a man pay child support for a child that he wanted the woman to abort is making reproductive decisions for that man isnt it?

              This silly person wrote:
              When you have a job with no benefits, but make too much to use the sliding adjustable fee scale at Planned Parenthood to get effective contraception, what do you do?
              Response: Buy it at WalMart, or better yet, require the man you are boinking to buy it before you boink him.

              This silly person wrote:
              And what do you do when the radical anti-choicers manage to get your local womens clinic shut down because OMG ABORTION eleventy1!!!! Just hop in your non-existent car and drive to another one that might be hours away or in another state?
              Response: This is your first legitimate point. Abortion should be easier and less stressful to obtain.

              This silly person wrote:
              And save your get a box of condoms nonsense; the failure rate is nearly 18 percent.
              Response: Only when used by an idiot. Another reason to make abortions easier to obtain, to stop such people from reproducing.

              Your last paragraph ignores the simple fact that women are still the gatekeepers of sex. So be less charitable to these far more irresponsible men and place serious restrictions on your sex life with them. In other words, make the man be more responsible before you allow him to boink you.


            • fiona64

              Some dumbarse wrote: So be less charitable to these far more irresponsible men and place
              serious restrictions on your sex life with them. In other words, make
              the man be more responsible before you allow him to boink you.

              I am a monogamous, married woman who nearly died gestating a wanted pregnancy. I have the privilege to have good health insurance that allowed for a tubal ligation. I also have the privilege of knowing that if my tubal ligation fails (they can, and do), I can obtain an abortion.

              You have the privilege of showing your arse repeatedly. Way to go.

              Thanks for showing yet again that you have no concept of what privilege is beyond stuff and Money. The OP lives in an economically depressed part of Kentucky … and there is a college in Kentucky, Berea College, that provides full-ride needs-based scholarships to people in that situation. Do I know for sure that this is what she did? No. But if it was, she had the wherewithal to apply and make her case for one of those scholarships.


            • Jerry Summers

              That you consider having the gumption to get up and make something of yourself a privilege says a lot about your mindset. As the saying goes, there are makers and there are takers. That tells me youre a taker. Oh look that person bettered themselves….but they have privilege. Thats the only way they could do it. Oh woe, if only I had privilege too.


            • fiona64

              Sweetie, unlike you, I *recognize* that I have privilege. I got exceptional marks in school, and went to university as a result. I was thus able to et a good job. We had diddly-squat growing up, but the state where I lived practiced economic integration, so those of us from the poor side of town got bussed to the better schools. Thats privilege right there.

              Your blindness to your own privilege is a shame. You assume anyone who recognizes privilege must not have it and youre wrong.



          • Then Northwoods you should totally understand why they keep having children. I live in Southern WV. I moved here 10 years ago. People have kids here for 3 reason, 1. They think that is what adults do. 2. More welfare money 3. There is no other past time then to have lots of sex, and the culture is very anti condom. All three are based in ignorance. If we talk with the people, educate them, help them make better choice, WE can help them understand why having more children is a bad idea.


            • NorthWoodsWoman

              Ive been trying to help the people in my community for years. And a good majority of my pay is sent to help my family. My vacation time and any other time I can get away, is spent fixing houses and trailers, trying to build up my old community and volunteering at a camp for underprivileged kids. The same one I once attended. But the fact is people down there are beyond resistance to change, as Im sure youve learned. That doesnt mean I dont try. Ill never give up on them. I love them too much.


            • NorthWoodsWoman

              Ive also been extreme couponing for years. It started out as a way to pay for the things I needed and ended up my main hobby. Its taken up our basement and garage. My husband and I lug all of it to Kentucky a few times a year to donate. I would encourage people to try it because its amazing what you can get for very little or nothing.


            • roseba

              It isnt nothing. Time is worth something, and extreme couponing involves a whole lot of it.


            • Matt

              With all the work you put into it, you could say couponing is a part time job.


          • jeff_fisher

            In your own words your parents should not have had you


            • fiona64

              Yeah, she seems to miss that in her rantings. Her parents had 11 kids that apparently they could not afford, after all.


            • NorthWoodsWoman

              Well the same thing happens when people have abortions but we dont worry what those children could have been.

              I was the first born and my parents were ok when I was little. My Daddy broke his back and we went from ok to the poorhouse. And they kept having kids. Trust me condoms would have helped.


            • Marcia Requa

              NorthWoods, you sound educated enough to understand the great complexity of economic issues that contribute to poverty here. I appreciate your sharing your personal perspective but you quite well know the variety of factors that go into the situation today. I just have to ask though, do you often tell your siblings how much you wish they hadnt been born?


          • MIchelle

            By your logic, if you were dirt poor, your parents should have never had you.


        • AJCoog

          It is a privilege now to be sensible when it comes to preventing unwanted pregnancies or planning for good parenthood? You think only the wealthy have that option? How naive. There are many cultural elements which push having children onto the poor, despite their being utterly unprepared financially and sometimes emotionally to accept what is a very serious responsibility. Children are a gift and a privilege, yes, but also a huge duty and should never be treated as a moral necessity to completing a family image. Yet how many religions push this onto segments of the poor population who are in no position whatsoever to care for the child without financial and material aide for years? I would suggest you visit a few foster homes and discover how many children there were abandoned and why. Or you could vist youth crisis centers and refuge shelters and talk to the abused teenagers from broken homes whose parents walked out and asked them about street life, drugs, and prostitution . What kind of unthinking people bring children into the world only to abandon them to become someone elses duty? Unfortunately many do.


          • fiona64

            I think that you are replying to the wrong person.


            • AJCoog

              No I think responsible parenthood is a sacred duty that every parent or would-be parent should observe, but many who do not. Pointing fingers at conservatives does not solve any issues. Thats the blame game and childish. How are these people getting into office? Are those who are non-conservatives rushing to the polls on election day and making their votes count? Does every non-conservative have the satisfaction of saying, we really tied. We turned out and still got beaten.? The non-conservative voter turn out this mid-term election was abysmal. Theres an old saying, All it takes for evil to suceed is for good men to do nothing. There was lot of apathy but tons of whining after the mid-term elections. Rather than complain, perhaps some folks need to check out of the complaint department and check into the action department.


            • fiona64

              And you think that I and other progressives didnt do anything *why* again?

              There are a whole slew of us out there working for social justice and trying to do something about poverty. And yes, I used the word us for a reason; Im one of them. However, I also recognize what privilege looks like and how easy it is for people who are *not* the working poor to act like its just oh-so-easy these days to pull off a real-life Horatio Alger story. Its getting harder all the time, thanks to people who vote against their own self-interest because they dont want a black man to succeed as President (amongst other things).

              I concur that parenthood is an enormous responsibility. Been there, done that, got the souvenir t-shirt. However, the argument that one should be able to dictate anothers reproductive decisions because of the size of that others pocketbook is completely ridiculous.


            • AJCoog

              Your passion is admirable. But the will to succeed at ones endeavors, large or small, will always be challenged. How else would one ever know hes won the battle? It is how we approach those battles that determined how fit we are to go to war with them to begin with.


            • fiona64

              Was there a reason that you had to post three versions of the same nonsense?


            • AJCoog

              Your passion is admirable, even if youre mistaken that others donot empathize with your plight.. But you forget that the will to succeed at ones endeavors, whatever they may be, will always be challenged. How else would one ever know hes won the battle when he succeeds? It is how we approach those battles that determined how fit we are to go to war with them to begin with.


            • fiona64

              Aw, isnt that cute? Now youve moved on to tone-policing.

              Sucks to be you, doesnt it?


            • AJCoog

              Your passion is admirable, even though you mistake articulation for elitism or privilege as you call it. You forget that the will to succeed at ones endeavors, large or small, will always be challenged. Life is not fair. How else would one ever know hes won the battle? It is how we approach those battles that determined how fit we are to go to war with them to begin with. There are no magic wands to wave away the troubles of the world and its injustices even as you fight to good fight claim it. The very fact that youre able to post your comments in an uncensored online debate is enviable to many who labor and die in countries without hope, many of whom are too oppressed to enjoy such liberties. Try to bear that in mind as you suit up.


            • fiona64

              Thanks for continuing to prove *my* point so well. I have already stated that I am aware of the privilege I have. You remain completely blind to it.


            • AJCoog

              Swinging that cudgel must get tiresome. I leave you and your relentless anger to it. Good luck.


            • fiona64

              Sorry that you cant stand having your privilege pointed out to you.

              Its so easy when you can be blind to it, isnt it? But damn, its hard when someone points it out to you and wont let you off the hook.

              Boo hop.


            • AJCoog

              Your response speaks volumes. Do continue.


      • Wednesday Lee Friday

        In my 20s and 30s, I felt as you didthat it was totally irresponsible to have kids without a substantial amount of money in the bank, owning a house, etc. I worked for it, damn hard, but still didnt have a house or fat bank account by the time I turned 40, and it was too late. Being poor literally kept me from ever having a child. Thats not something Id wish on anyone…especially people who view children as more than an 18+ financial burden. May your box of condoms bring you happiness in your old age.


    • fiona64

      This is an outstanding article. Unfortunately, those who really need to see it are probably not the ones reading it.

      These struggles are all too familiar to me, as I grew up in a household that was working poor. Too much money to get help (except for a couple of months of food stamps when my dad was out of work for a long time), and not enough money to have all that was needed sometimes. It doesnt take long to learn that well see means Its not happening and that we cant afford it is a valid answer.


    • http://tumblr.com/winjennster winjennster

      I make 7.60 an hour and have to pay union dues. Its ridic. Food stamps is literally the only thing keeping our heads above water sometimes. And the Repubs say Im lazy because Im on welfare. Im working dickwads!!


      • Nathan Dolan

        Might want to talk to your union about that…


      • Amadi

        If you didnt have a union its a good bet youd be making $7.25 an hour.


      • Scarlet

        Whats the point of your union if theyre not pushing for a living wage? Thats so unacceptable.


      • KAMGlosta

        Apparently your union SUCKS yet you are still FORCED to pay them.

        No one says youre lazy but Im pretty sure many would think you are stupid.

        What kind of maroon pays union dues to make 7.60 an hour?


    • Rocky Bebb

      I am only living this lifestyle now because my daughters mom left me and i am ordered to pay 985 a month in child support. I didnt even come that close to those expenditures when she lived with me. I didnt choose this, and I am a unionized worker. Certainly not fun.


    • Furritus

      Yup, Im part of the just-above-poverty group that doesnt qualify for state assistance, but doesnt make enough to cover bills. One thing thats always bugged me: they dont count car expenses for things like food stamps. Public transportation sucks where I am, so if I dont have a car I dont work. And insurance is mandatory in my state. These arent exactly optional expenses!


    • Andrew

      Thats the big problem with housing assistance that most people dont understand. The more you make the more you pay. So if you get housing while your unemployed or have a low wage job then you pay either nothing or very little, but if you find a job or get a raise, then your rent goes up, so you can never get ahead. Youll always be stuck at the same miserable income level.


    • chris968

      I just received a letter yesterday from the dept of welfare in my county that they are cutting my food stamps from $194.00 a month to $16.00 a month. Yes you read that right, $16.00. Why, you ask? Because I am now receiving SSI, at $480 a month. So therefore I no longer need to eat. Sick and tired of these republicans thinking its okay to stomp all over the poor!!


    • AJCoog

      Yet another brilliant piece of mythology which helps perpetuate the lie that poverty is a life sentence from which no ladder exists by which one can climb out of it.. Today, the poverty-stricken are offered education and government assistance in ways unimaginable during my parents generation. I grew up in the early 60s when all of the various entitlement programs which many low-income folks enjoy today and upon which many have continued on as a life-career, were non-extant. How did the poor then ever escape poverty? Youd be amazed what a little self-determination, guts, and resourcefulness can do, when you do not have a safety-net. I grew up in a ghetto. I now own a condo and am completing a college degree. I still use public transportation, which many of my younger peers do. And I work at a job commensurate with my educational attainments which is fair and am paid a fair market wage. Should I become dissatisfied with any element of my life, I have the option to change it. I have that power, if I chose to exercise it. Or I can do nothing at all, and blame everyone and everything around me for my misfortunes. Think me cruel? No. I was a youngster who watch a single mother struggle at a low-paying job to raise three children without the benefit of support groups or any government safety nets and who rarely complained. Mostly she was tired and worn out, but soldiered on. If I learned anything at all, it was that persistence, fortitude, determination, and sacrifice will carry one through to improving his lot. Not whining and complaining. The rewards are not instant, but they are worth working for, principle among them is the self-esteem which comes from having climbed out of hell and made it. It can be done. And I am hardly alone in my flight from misery.


      • fiona64

        Should I become dissatisfied with any element of my life, I have the option to change it.

        More privilege showing. Not everyones situation is identical to yours.


        • AJCoog

          Only the privilege of knowing I have choices, which is the reward from having been taught through experience and struggle that I am not entitled to anything but what I have earned, and that I get out of life what I put into it and nothing more. If you see that as somehow elitist, so be it.


        • AJCoog

          Only the privilege of having learned through hardship and struggle and having been taught that I am entitled to only that which I have earned and nothing more. That I get out of life what I put into it. If you somehow manage to construe that as elitist so be it.


          • fiona64

            Yet another one who does not know what privilege is, I see. You can go look at the link I already provided and educate yourself.


            • AJCoog

              Your definition of privileged does not make it privileged. It just makes it your definition. Mine comes from the dictionary. But I dont need to use it to know what the word means. Sorry you disagree and think every wish and desire is a God-given entitlement.


        • KAMGlosta

          PRIVILEGE? You call personal responsibility PRIVILEGE?


          • fiona64

            Um, sweetie? Having access to effective contraception has privilege all over it. The working poor seldom have health insurance and, thanks to the GOTeabirchers, many clinics that would have been able to help have been closed by unnecessary TRAP laws because OMG Abortion eleventy1!!!! And no, you dont get to decide whether or not people earn enough money to be allowed to have sexual intercourse.

            It amazes me how privilege-blind so many of the posters in this comments section are.


    • poisonalice

      Not everyone can do that. I have psoriasis all over my body, particularly on my scalp, and have allergic reactions to most of the cheap additives in dollar store products, so unfortunately I have to get the more expensive products, mostly from the health food store or organic section in the grocery store to buy tea tree products to help treat my psoriasis. Medicaid and Medicare dont cover the costs, even though my dermatologist recommended I use tea tree products in conjunction with my prescription skin meds. And its not about looks, psoriasis can be really painful, and I already have severe chronic pain, so a psoriasis flare is something I need to try avoiding. Plus, the skin allergies dont help either. Hell, Im allergic to Ivory soap! Not all people can just use any product picked off a random shelf.


    • Emily Davis Hall

      Im with you, except on the inability to bake a cake. Thats ridiculous. The directions are right there on the back of the box, and its simple. I mean, some people cant read, but…. anyone who can write a decent blog like this can definitely read the directions on the back of a Betty Crocker cake mix.


      • fiona64

        A good many working poor people live in single-room occupancy hotels (because they can pay rent by the week). These hotels do not have stoves/ovens. Please, I ask yet again of the people who say that the working poor only need to do thus-and-such, get a copy of Barbara Ehrenreichs Nickled and Dimed and educate yourself about the challenges that the working poor face.


        • Emily Davis Hall

          THAT totally makes sense, and its a situation of which Im already aware. But the writer here simply stated that she doesnt possess the skill of baking, which I thought was kinda silly since shes obviously very intelligent. She should replace that with your point, which is totally reasonable.


          • fiona64

            Thanks for your clarification. :-)


          • Shannon Argueta

            I really cant bake cakes. For all of my intelligence, its a skill that I have not mastered.


    • MIchelle

      Add to the sick kid struggle the decision whether to stay home from work without pay (or worse, a chance at losing your job) to care for your child or send them to school where they will be miserable and spread their bug to everyone else.


    • Raven_Altosk

      Ive been the working poor and Ive faced all of these struggles. However, these are not the folks that I want to scream pull yourself up by your bootstraps! These are the folks who DESERVE assistance. The ones who dont? Those who have no desire to get a job and merely pop out kids to get more gummit bennies.

      And no, those people are not a myth. They exist and they have created their own little entitlement culture.


    • sisterchef

      I was poor and i survived because of one very important decision… I didnt have children. I didnt have them because they deserve a good life.. Many of these points are child related. Sorry, having kids isnt a right, its a privilege.. stop having children you cant afford in order to have something that makes you feel like youve accomplished something. Not only will it stop you from having a decent life for yourself but youre forcing this horrible life on another human being. Awful..


      • boxtor

        I noticed that too. The items that dont have anything to do with children make life a tight rope walk and leaves no room for failure. Children were not an option.

        It makes it easier when youre a large and broke young man, because most young females arent interested in you and having children is less of a chance to become an albatross around your neck.


      • fiona64

        And what do you tell people who already have kids when they fall on hard times?

        I am amazed at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that reliable contraception grows on trees or something especially in light of the GOTeabirchers hard work in closing womens health clinics all over the country.


        • sisterchef

          First of all, I feel bad that they made decisions that affected them and their children adversely. In the end, theyre choices, not magic. Life isnt a joke.. we have to spend more time thinking of the repercussions of what could happen to us and others when we make certain decisions in life.


          • fiona64

            Yeah, darn those job losses … and catastrophic medical bills. I guess people should plan never to have a catastrophic illness or lose their job due to layoffs.


            • sisterchef

              Ive spent most of my life around working class and working poor, I never met one that had catastrophic medical bills even though it does happen, albeit rarely. As for layoffs, those happen as well and Ive seen a couple of people affected by them but they found jobs. They were relatively skilled workers (mechanic, etc) but had children and had no savings and had credit card debt that arose from living above their means. Again, if you want to talk about these circumstances, thats one thing but if you want to be intellectually honest then youll recognize that people who cant afford children have them all the time and its selfish. Its the rule, not the exception and living with your decisions is part of life. I wish this country had proper social programs, I wish this country sent people to college for free and had universal health care like in other places Ive lived and i wish that people would stop worshipping reality tv stars here and read a book bit this isnt what American culture is about. All these things contribute to the suffering of the people in this country and their own actions are part of the problem. We have to start with teaching children about whats really important in life like developing a working skill that can carry you over from job to job (Im a skilled laborer, no one wants to do these jobs anymore in the US and you can find work if you have them), save money, dont worship consumer goods, big houses, expensive cars you cant afford, live within your means. Being poor is much more than not having money. Thats what people posting here dont seem to want to talk about. This is an American condition that can be fixed to some extent but it takes hard work (not the job kind), sacrifice and responsibility. No one on top us ever going to help in this country, people have to take care of themselves. My sacrifices have given me the best life I could have.. we all need to help ourselves and the people in our community. We should start by making good decisions.


            • fiona64

              youll recognize that people who cant afford children have them all the time and its selfish.

              Yet another one who is a) arguing that the right to have children should be predicated on the size of someones wallet and who b) seems to think that effective contraception (i.e., something other than condoms) grows on trees.


    • Steve Bshaw

      And this demonstrates what? That religious people trust their church more than they do some corporate type charity like PETA or United Way?


      • fiona64

        No, it proves that your assertion that conservatives donate more is bullshit.


        • Steve Bshaw

          Well, only if you reject things like math in favor of feeeelings.


          • fiona64

            Couldnt be bothered to look at the facts because they got in the way of your nonsense, eh? Typical Teabircher.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Oh cupcake, I thought it was obvious that I concur if you define a thing to be whatever you feel it should be, then you can create all kinds of new worlds.

              I just thought of way to help all of these poor people you claim you care about. We can change the definition of poor. There, problem fixed, world changed.


            • fiona64

              So, you didnt look at the facts. Just. Like. I. Said.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Hey cupcake, I just thought of a way to help you raise your IQ score. We can adjust your test score to not take logic into account. You might zoom up to 100 or so if we do that.


            • fiona64

              I really am sorry about your microphallus, Stevie. Really.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Im sure you are. It means that should you need that extra dollar and I am drunk enough to select you out of the gaggle, all you will get out of it is the dollar. Oh well, you cant have it all when you use your only asset. And to top it off, that clock of yours is ticking. Ovaries drying up like stale walnuts, one more egg passes that you will never get back, one less chance…and its gone.

              And you dont even have a microphallus, only the envy.


            • fiona64

              You really cant stand it when women are smarter than you, can you?

              I suggest that you learn to deal with the disappointment, in this as in so many other areas of your life.


            • Steve Bshaw

              I dont know. Ive never met any such creature.

              And you dont even have a microphallus, only the envy. Steams that overused twat of yours doesnt it.


            • fiona64

              Youre a funny little boy. Thanks for demonstrating my point so well.


            • Steve Bshaw

              You have had two days now to answer the questions posed to you, or to find a male who would. You have failed on both.

              Steams that overused twat of yours doesnt it. And what really steams that twat is that if we were to encounter each other in person, there is absolutely nothing you could do to show your anger. Except cry and hope that some male would do that which you cannot. So go ahead, cry. Scream how glad you are that you are not a male, or that the beta boys in your life are what real men should be. But deep down…

              You just have an overused twat and all the envy that comes with it.


            • fiona64

              You just keep proving my point, little boy. Thank you!


            • Steve Bshaw

              Almost three days now to answer the questions posed to you, or to find a male who would. You have failed on both.

              And if we were to meet, there is nothing you could do about it, except cry, scream, or hope that some male would step in for you.

              All you have that is of any value is that overused twat and all the envy that comes with it.


    • Songbrook

      This is painful. Ive been at every single one numbered here.


    • craiggnt

      Donation to churches mostly go to running the church,paying the bills. Churches are not charities. They may give a small portion of their money help people in some way. more then 75% or more goes toward running the church. Again paying the heating bill at a church is not a donation. An Atheist woman did a study last year. She went to a busy street where she lives and held up a sign. On the sign she had a a made up church collecting for a childrens hospital. People gave her money. The next day she was back only with a sign saying she was with the American Atheist and was again collecting for a childrens hospital. At the end of the day after being verbally abused by Christian the Atheist gave more money. The Christians pulled out dollar bills. The Atheist put in tens and twenties. A majority of Christian donation is to their church. A majority of that money goes to running that church. When the math is done deleting 75% of church donations due to it not going to help people only to keep the lights on and your ass warm on Sunday the results are that the percentage given is about equal. Conservatives tend to have more money. Many liberals do not have enough to take care of themselves and are the charity. Most of my family are liberals and Atheist. None of us are rich by any means but we all give when disaster hits around the country or world. We do not need guilt and the fear of damnation to give to others and we do not do it for any write off. I have given my last ten dollars to the church even when I had nothing to eat at home and would not have for days. Charity is not about who gives more


    • KAMGlosta

      Its DEMOCRATS who hate the poor, not Republicans. Democrats pushed the War on Poverty program which only INCREASED poverty. Democrats are the ones who keep people dependent on government, not Republicans. Under Obama, poverty has INCREASED; dependence on foodstamps has INCREASED.


      • fiona64

        Citations needed. For all of it.


    • Borismcbin

      So I take it that not one of these folks has any kind of emergency fund? You might want to try it. Have about 6 months of expenses saved up in case of illness, job loss, or other emergency. Sounds like a no brainer.


      • fiona64

        Yet another person of privilege who knows nothing of the life of the working poor. Six months wages in the bank when youre barely making ends meet is a pipedream to the majority of the working poor. Jesus Christ, people; educate yourselves. Go to your local library and pick up Barbara Ehrenreichs Nickled and Dimed. Seriously.


    • TomJoadisJob

      If only they were Citizens Unjted People.


    • tnazar

      It doesnt take long for the assholes to pounce. Minimum wage is a starting wage? I dont think so asshole. Its used by some of the countrys most successful corporations as a source of ultra cheap labor. Get a better job? I dont think so asshole. The better jobvs are all safely hidden in the portfolios of the 1%.

      Every Ameican not part of the 1% who buys this Horatio Alger BS is weapons grade stupid. It sounds so good especially when ac super asshole on Fox spouts it with a snarky comment about the hall porter in the Oval Office who doesnt know his place.


    • Michelle Smith

      To the author of this article: I agree (and have lived through each and every one of these dtruggles at one time of my life) with everything in this article says-except that lousy first paragraph! I am REPUBLICAN and do not think any of those things! So please, can we stop the blaming?!? Its just ridiculous to lump people together this way and assume you know what people think or feel. I have both democrate and republicans in my own family and each of them have issues close to their heart that have put them in the voting camp they are in, and NONE of them appreciate this blame game either. I am glad you have strong values and are trying to fight for better treatment of those who are struggling and some understanding, but dont blame nameless others-it just incites hate and LESS willingness to work together-which is what we all need in the end. Respectfully, a Republican.


      • Shannon Argueta

        Thank you


    • Ms_Fit

      The opening sentence of this article tells me the author has never talked to a republican and/or conservative beyond calling names and walking away. VERY short sighted. I am proudly conservative, and have gone through most of these struggles. It took a lot of HARD work, but I changed my situation. I am more than willing, and do help out fellow humans who want to do the same. I resent being called racist, hater, etc. because I dont support welfare as a career or forcing businesses to pay premiums for low or no skill jobs.


    • LightningMan711

      Any article that starts Republicans love to hate the poor is not to be trusted as there are poor Republicans. Not every Republican is rich and not every rich person is Republican.


    • fiona64

      We hate that elitist liberals are more interested in creating dependency
      rather than opportunity because it secures their political position.

      You were doing so well until you spewed this Faux News bullshit talking point.

      And I never said that because someone was not well off they were a liberal. Ive seen plenty of poor folks vote against their own interests because they figure that theyre just one get rich quick scheme away from being as wealthy as R(m)oney, and want those protections in place for themselves.


    • fiona64

      So you are wrong when you assume that because someone is not well off they are a liberal.

      I never said any such thing. In fact, I have made quite plain my astonishment at the poor who vote against their own self-interest because they believe theyre just one get-rich-quick scheme away from being as wealthy as R(m)oney themselves.

      We hate that elitist liberals are more interested in creating dependency
      rather than opportunity because it secures their political position.

      You were doing so well until you spewed this Faux News nonsense talking point.


    • fiona64

      More of the other people have it worse comments? Really? Other people have it worse does not put food on the table of a person in the US.


    • VideoboyMatt

      Poor isnt a democrat or republican issue, its an every person issue. There are poor republicans just the same as there are poor democrats. The truth is its not just about social welfare programs, but job creation and financial stability. Without a strong economy, and companies hiring then the poor will always need handouts weather it be gov assistance, or the charitable help from more fortunate people. I just hate seeing this turn into a rich people suck conversation. There is nothing productive about blaming other people for your situation, sometimes its just bad luck, sometimes its social boundaries..and sometimes some poor people are poor because of their own bad decisions. There are many factors that contribute. I have never heard more social justice conversations than with this president.


      • fiona64

        I have never heard more social justice conversations than with this president.

        You must not have been paying attention while Dubya was in office, then.


    • TheGuyinCharge

      Were mass-importing and supporting the breeding of low IQ people. Income inequality is an effect of differences in intelligence and character in the U.S., just as it is worldwide….Bitching is easy. Addressing the root of the problem is tricky.


    • Alan Maki

      The cost-of-living crisis, along with these dirty wars, is the worst crisis working class families are experiencing yet not one single politician in this country is addressing this problem. Wages going down with millions still unemployed while prices of everything from food to rent and utility bills going up makes for a crisis of everyday living for most working class families as Wall Street profits from all of our problems with these dirty imperialist wars making us all poor and here we have Obama getting us entangled defending a bunch of two-bit, half-assed fascist bastards in the Ukraine that will cost us billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars more.

      The only war we need is a war on poverty.


      • TheGuyinCharge

        Nice dream. And not wasting money would be good. But income is correlated everywhere with IQ and character. So is following charlatans. We have a demographic problem, not a lack of Marxism problem.


        • fiona64

          But income is correlated everywhere with IQ and character.

          I would appreciate seeing a citation for this.


    • fiona64

      Wikipedia? Really?

      Well, if you insist.

      *From your own source*:

      Some criticisms have focused on the limited number of studies upon
      which the book is based. The IQ figure is based on one study in 34
      nations, and two studies in 30 nations. There were actual tests for IQ
      in 81 nations. In 104 of the worlds nations there were no IQ studies at
      all and IQ was estimated based on IQ in surrounding nations.[2]
      The limited number of participants in some studies has also been
      criticized. A test of 108 9- to 15-year-olds in Barbados, of 50 13- to
      16-year-olds in Colombia, of 104 5- to 17-year-olds in Ecuador, of 129
      6- to 12-year-olds in Egypt, and of 48 10- to 14-year-olds in Equatorial
      Guinea, all were taken as measures of national IQ.[3]

      Denny Borsboom (2006) argues that mainstream contemporary test
      analysis does not reflect substantial recent developments in the field
      and bears an uncanny resemblance to the psychometric state of the art as it existed in the 1950s. For example, it argued that IQ and the Wealth of Nations, in order to show that the tests are unbiased, uses outdated methodology, if anything indicative that test bias exists.[10] Girma Berhanu in an essay review of the book concentrated on the discussion of Ethiopian Jews. The review criticizes the principal assertion of the authors that differences in intelligence attributed to genetics account for the gap between rich and poor countries. Berhanu criticized the book as being based in a racist, sexist, and antihuman research tradition and alleged that the low standards of scholarship evident in the book render it largely irrelevant for modern science.[11]

      So, your assertion is just as much a pile of crap as I thought.


      • TheGuyinCharge

        Genius, its a wikipedia page covering A SCHOLARLY BOOK. I deliberately linked that page so you could understand that it is a contentious but nonetheless serious area of inquiry.

        An author like Jared Diamond uses speculation far hazier than estimating IQ averages, to explain international inequality, and receives no such condemnation for his methods…because he is dishing out feel-good nonsense.

        How about this: in the U.S., socio-economically, blacks, with the lowest charted IQs (about 85), are forever at the bottom. Latinos, with slightly higher IQs (low 90s) are just above them. Whites, at 100, just above them. Asians, at about 105, just above them. Jews, at about 115, at the top.

        Research it yourself. If these are the correct IQs, roughly speaking, and those are the groups placement on the success chart, then its only intellectual or moral cowardice on your part to deny what it means.


        • fiona64

          You dont understand the part of *your own source* that I quoted, do you?


          • TheGuyinCharge

            No, please explain.


            • fiona64

              I can explain it to you all day, but I cannot understand it for you.

              The methodology behind the study that you use to support your racist assertions is flawed. If any of the words I used are too big, get an adult to help you.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              Sorry, but Im pretty sure youre lying.

              Is IQ a valid, if not 100 percent reliable, measure of intelligence? If so, then the particular study may or may not be disputable, (and I deliberately linked a source to save you the trouble of googling the entire debate), but the big picture remains the same.

              IQ averages are markedly lower for groups with lower average incomes. And the lower the IQs the lower the incomes. On average. That was my initial assertion. I provided evidence. And logic. You failed to offer a single counter argument. You just babbled about it being wrong and called names.


            • fiona64

              Im sorry you were not smart enough to understand how your own link sunk you. By your own lights, that must mean that you work in the fast food business.


          • TheGuyinCharge

            No answer? You realize that you didnt provide a single coherent thought of your own in defense of your position. Just a few short sentences implying some mysterious knowledge.

            IQ tests are imperfect, but their results, on average, accord with the manifestations of intelligence. Get it? This is why your class/race warfare approach to politics is a sad joke. Youre trying to pretend that people who are borderline mentally retarded were somehow cheated out of social success.


            • fiona64

              You are trying to pretend that ethnicity makes people more or less intelligent which makes you a bigoted POS.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              You realize that youve still failed to provide any coherent argument. In fact, I think youre going the other way.

              There was never any question that Im a bigoted POS by your childish standards. But remember? You set out to refute the idea that theres a correlation, or more to the point, a causal relationship, between intelligence and wealth….You implied that the position is unsupportable, and then claimed to see an obvious, fatal flaw in the evidence and logic I offered….although you wont try to describe the nature of the flaw you claim to see.

              Its okay to admit that youre grasping at straws because youve been trained to fear reality. I mean, dont admit it to me, here. I dont care. But admit it to yourself. Itll be liberating.


            • fiona64

              Im sorry youre too stupid to understand how your own link sunk your assertion.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              RIght. Except I also gave other examples and made the case in several ways, none of which you could figure out how to answer.

              Just think. Not one reasoned response from you.

              The reality is probably that youre too stupid to logically support what you believe…and too stupid on top of that to reconsider your beliefs even when youre fully aware that you cant support them.


            • fiona64

              Youre the one with the unsupported belief that ethnicity determines IQ … which makes you a racist POS. I am done with you.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              I think you might be legitimately stupid. You do understand that whether a theory causes you to wet your pants because its racist can be a separate issue from whether it is supported by empirical evidence…


            • fiona64

              Except that, as your own link pointed out, your racist beliefs are *not* supported by empirical evidence.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              Youre funny. And ignorant. IQ and income averages are empirical evidence. Whether or not one criticizes the methodology of this particular study, IQ and income averages are well charted for different racial groups, especially in the U.S. the example I cited.

              The material from wikipedia that you keep referring to, dummy, is an outlining of criticisms cobbled together by people who disagreed with or feared the studys *premise* before they even looked at the study.


            • fiona64

              Thanks for admitting that the methodology of the study that you use for the basis of your racism is flawed.


            • TheGuyinCharge

              Ha. Sorry about all those abstract ideas. Thanks for the discussion.


    • fiona64

      Dont listen to these dreamers Steve. I agree with literally everything you say

      Wow! Two giant privilege-blind arseholes. Who knew?


      • Steve Bshaw

        Who knew? she asks.

        I suspect that knowledge and you are not the most intimate of companions. But I am sure you and feelings are the best of buds.


        • fiona64

          You poor thing. Maybe you can go find yourself a nice rentboy.


    • fiona64

      Yeah, dont forget to mention how part of the reason youre comfortable is that, unlike working poor civilians, your rent and utilities are all paid for by the mliitary.

      And also dont forget how many junior enlisted are on food stamps.


      • Steve Bshaw

        And yet they serve with honor, all the while being moved all over God knows where, while you and your ilk on this site wail about…well, everything apparently.


    • scriptspring

      I grew up in a lower-middle-class family. Both my parents worked, so we always had a roof and food, but I can remember issues with about half this list. My clothes were hand-me-downs from neighbors until I was sixteen. They sometimes had to juggle the bills and got overdraft fees. Sometimes leftovers were stretched over several days. This was in the 60s. Its worse for people now.


    • GStorm

      Not being able to buy anything for anyone on Christmas is the current killer. Good list.


    • emmayus

      Any one can find themselves in the ranks of the low end wage earners. Obama gets on TV and tells rich Americans to stop buying private jets. Poof! 16,400 aircraft (Boeing, Beechcraft, Bombardier and Cessna) workers and support businesses are unemployed because potential buyers listened and quit buying planes. Over a trillion dollars of tax money wasted (Obamas Stimulus in 2011)-part of which was spent on researching alternative energy. Poof! All those democrat contributors got their payoffs and not only that, because so many were foreigners, they decided to take the money and use it in their own countries to create jobs. Obama promises to put an end to the coal industry. Poof! Thousands of coal miners and mining communities are plunged into poverty. While Global Warming worshipers celebrate the hollow victories created by their faux religion, over a half million more people lose their jobs due to EPA regulations; just like the aircraft workers, coal miners and those who thought alternative energy jobs were going to be theirs.. And people want to blame CONSERVATIVES for the increased number poor?


      • David

        yikes. You have a lot of hefty claims that make absolutely no sense. what are you even talking about? alternative energy markets open up new jobs, ding bat. more regulations create new jobs… right? you need someone to enforce them, regulate and initiate them, right? and where in the world did you get your numbers? are you talking money or inventory? holy cow what a cluster f@#@ of an essay.


    • subee

      Ayn Rand much?


      • Steve Bshaw

        Probably Milton Friedman, but I doubt you would know much about him. Or really anything else that deals with economics.

        But I am sure you are champion at caring.


    • LLHendricks

      Because, of course, as we all know, there are no poor, working Republicans in this country. Only Democrats and Liberals are poor and have these problems. These problems are real, and we ALL have to suffer them. This country is the only one I know of that offers EVERYONE here the opportunity to better themselves and their situation, and in fact gives benefits to people who are not as well off as others. Ive been there myself, and believe me, most poor people would much rather be able to earn what they need rather than receiving the pittance they do from the government. Destroying businesses through government regulations and rules like minimum wage only make it harder for these people to find the better employment they are seeking.


      • https://www.facebook.com/mark.q.warren DrMorq

        yes because afterall the minimum wage should be at zero and then there would be work enough for everybody… and most people would be earning 50 cents an hiur…but you would be thankjful to AT LEAST HAVE A JOB… RIGHT?


        • LLHendricks

          Wages were zero or 50 cents an hour before minimum wage was instituted? The government doesnt have the right to tell someone how much they should pay their workers. Most businesses in this country are owned by people in the middle class. They make just enough in their businesses to keep their employees working and keep the business going. I know because I do their accounting and taxes. They are not stingy, moneygrubbing, selfish people who have to be told to pay their employees a living wage. In fact, the business owners I deal with all pay MORE than the minimum now. It makes a lovely emotional argument, that 50 cent wage, but the hundreds of thousands who are unemployed in this country today are hurting because of government requirements that small and medium businesses cannot afford.


          • fiona64

            The government doesnt have the right to tell someone how much they should pay their workers.

            Why, LL, that is such a good point. Maybe we should just re-institute slavery and/or indentured servitude. /snark


    • Steve Bshaw

      Yes, like that Republican state of Texas and the other southern states whose economies are running circles around New York, California and other liberal hotbeds you know, those same liberal states from which the white middle class is fleeing like storm victims. And isnt the governor of North Dakota a Republican?

      Next time you might try examples that actually support your case.


      • karensc

        I see you dont mention SC, republican state, shitty economy. We still have counties with 20% unemployment.


        • Steve Bshaw

          And what skills can you offer an employer?


    • Steve Bshaw

      Apparently I am not the only one with time on my hands to spend on the internet little boy, since you seem to have that time to peruse my posts, but we wont talk about that.

      You know one way to avoid having your human rights violated by my posts that you find so disgusting? Dont read them.

      Or even more difficult for you, try to refute them. Not holding my breath on that one…


    • Steve Bshaw

      That was such a profound post. I am going to give it the full reflection that it deserves. Okay, done. Next?


    • Steve Bshaw

      Are you one of those poor people who tried but failed, or do you have some other reason to have insights I lack? Do share those with me.


    • Steve Bshaw

      It happens all of the time. It is how this country was populated by immigrants from all over the world. It continued with the refugees from Vietnam, and with quite a few Hispanics who go to great lengths to come to jobs that do not pay well by our standards. Because it is better than their countries of origin. And sometimes they live in conditions that I am certain, would make you faint out of your hipster shoes. They are willing to do jobs that those like you are not.

      So, who is really the bonehead here? I am amused to see how that one word seems to have twisted the panties of everyone here who thinks like you.


    • Steve Bshaw

      What was your major? And have you thought that just maybe you should enter a field where you might get your hands dirty that does not require a degree?


    • Steve Bshaw

      Especially those whose children you will have to help support even though you do not have any of your own.


    • Steve Bshaw

      Actually, many words have conventional definitions that apply more often than do the standard or dictionary definition, and words also have emotional connotations that are not part of the dictionary definition, which, interestingly, later become one of the dictionary definitions of the word. For example, one might be surprised if I said that Albert Einstein or Abraham Lincoln were notorious, or that their works could be considered awful, but that would be technically accurate while inconsistent with our common use of the words notorious and awful.

      Ironically, my point applies to your use of the word propaganda, itself a word whose meaning of spreading ones message started with the Catholic Church committee Congregatio de Propaganda Fide or congregation for propagating the faith,but which then became a word that simply meant to spread any message or political idea, but one that now carries a negative connotation.

      And I am willing to bet a dollar that the cupcake who I was responding to was appealing to this growing negative use of the word proselytize. But…I could be wrong.

      An excellent post on your part though, and I do not mean that sarcasticall.


    • Steve Bshaw

      Read the study, probably long before you did cupcake, and I will make a bet with you that I am far more comfortable analyzing something like this than are you. They do what you do. They, for reasons unknown, simply decide that contributions of time and money to ones church does not count as charity, then find, surprise surprise, that conservatives do not give more than liberals.

      Well, I want them to adjust for time and money spent on things like housing, so we cant count contributions to Habitat For Humanity. I want them to adjust for international vs local giving, so we cant count contributions to things like Doctors Without Borders. I want them to make adjustments to fit whatever prejudices I have and then call it a legitimate study. Like they did.

      We now know that the brains at MIT wanted to see the effect of not counting churches as charity. I could have saved them the time, but really cupcake, what prejudice against churches do you have that you think that donating time and money to them do not count as charity?


      • fiona64

        Youre doing a fabulous job of continuing to prove my point. Rock on.


        • Steve Bshaw

          That you are a bigot toward organized religion? You established that yourself without my aid.

          And apparently you are a coward as well. Or would you like to actually address the question of why donations to churches should not count as charity?

          I didnt think so.


          • fiona64

            How is paying the heat bill a donation to charity, Stevie? How is paying for the rectory a donation to charity, Stevie? How is paying the rent a donation to charity, Stevie?

            Thats what donations to churches go for.

            And dont quit your day job to become one of Dionne Warwicks psychic friends, Microphallus-boy.


            • Steve Bshaw

              Looks like I got someones well used little twat all twisted with that last question; so much so, your pathetic reasoning skills deteriorated even further. And that is something I did not think could happen.

              But if you cannot reason this out yourself, which is almost certain, get someone, probably a man (hey, one of those men you claim to date maybe), to explain the importance of the logical principle of consistency when making judgments about law, morality, justice, etc. I know I know, we have already established that the rules do not apply to you, but pretend that the mere fact that you have, or used to have, a uterus, does not grant you any exceptions to this principle.

              Sooo, here comes the hard part for you: reasoning. If your principle (I snicker when calling any causal influence on those estrogen fueled brain cells of yours a principle, but it is the word we use on topics such as this)…well, anyway, if your principle that donations that go to infrastructure, operating expenses and the like, do not count as charity, then does it not follow that donations that are used for such things in organizations such as PETA, Habitat For Humanity, United Way, The Red Cross, Cancer research centers, Hospitals, or any other charity with a building and paid staff, do not count as charity either? Now perhaps in your little girl fantasy world, such charities do not have utility bills, rent or mortgages, do not pay doctors or other staff, but in the real world they do.

              So, pull those panties out of your angry girlie parts, and ask the boys who use you as a temporary diversion if they can help you give Stevie here an answer. Why is money donated to churches not charity when money donated to other charities is spent on exactly the same type of operating expenses? Apparently you are unable to do so all by yourself, but I cannot simplify it for you any further, so maybe its time for you to call in someone not encumbered by hysteria.


    • AJCoog

      Yes. It is hard. Which makes the success of overcoming it all the more sweeter for those who bother to try. But complaining about hardship is not the same as putting your shoulder to the grindstone. If it were easy, there be no satisfaction in giving it your all. Giving up is the easy part. Giving in to defeat proves nothing. Cite all the facts and figures you please, but there is no metric for human will, which has been known throughout history to produce amazing results.


    • Ray Glover

      This could be a heart wrenching and motivating article if it did not begin and end with lies. The author exposes her willingness to twist fact to meet her political agenda.
      You just go ahead and bemoan the sorry state of our republic Mrs. Argueta and prop up your liberal heroes who continue to do nothing about it. We conservatives will do as we have always done and strive to fix the liberal damage while tending to the needs of those less fortunate.


      • fiona64

        Yep, those conservative policies are helping a lot, arent they? Cutting school lunch programs, cutting SNAP benefits, etc. Those help the poor so very much.


        • Ray Glover

          Please explain why and how Obama and the Social Democrats are instituting conservative policy. After all it was they who had control when these so called cuts came into being. Liberals have thrived by castigating the poor and demeaning minorities while blaming conservatives for the dirty deed.
          Even this month a liberal funded lawsuit shut down another food bank in South Carolina so they could blame the starving children on conservatives.
          Go look and see who it is that carries food to the children. Ask them how much help they get from the democrats…….


          • fiona64

            Are you not paying attention to what happens at the state level? Are you unaware that Obama is *not* the lawmaker? Go back and study civics if youre unclear.

            Even this month a liberal funded lawsuit shut down another food bank in
            South Carolina so they could blame the starving children on
            conservatives.

            Citation needed.


      • Shannon Argueta

        Lies? Except that I provided links to support my claim in the beginning. :)


    • Carole Q

      Of course no conservative subscribes to Myth #237; the main difference I see between conservative and progressive groups is whom we empower to solve problems people or government respectively. And since poverty is a big, real problem, its especially important that our citizenry be kind and mature enough to unite to fight it together.


    • fiona64

      So, soon enough, Ill die. Wont that just make their day? One less non-productive person in the world?

      Sadly, I remember Ron Paul saying pretty much that …


    • fiona64

      First of all (assuming that youre not making shit up), you dont know how long theyve had that bag, whether it was a thrift store find, whether its even a real Coach, or whether its something they got at the local Career Closet-type place that provides underprivileged women with business clothing. And you dont know whether that Escalade belongs to a person who is giving them a ride to the store.


    • aleatharhea

      #9 oh, its much worse than that. The Hospital will not operate on you if you dont have insurance. Both I and a friend have been in the exact same situation, with the same illness. An operation could completely cure. Without it, you die. Without insurance, the ER wont take you unless youre going into shock. I was lucky. I managed to play amateur doctor well enough to judge the incredibly narrow window between not being close enough to death so they turn you away and being close enough that you dont make it and you die. My friend might not be so lucky. Meanwhile, you spend a decade deteriorating, unable to work, eventually unable to leave your bed. If there had been universal healthcare, and Id gotten diagnosed and treated before the I lost a decade of my life, I wouldve been able to keep working, and would have contributed many times more in taxes than my medical bills ever came to.


    • Barbara Kahler

      I wish someone would define poor for me. I work with a young woman that owns 5 TVs. Just her and her daughter. I know another POOR person whos kid runs around in $200 sneakers. Another has the $200 a month cable packet. Perhaps we all need to prioritize.


    • http://gmail.com/ Bets See

      Sadly when you are single and a senior citizen, most of this doesnt change….especially when your budget includes amazing grandkids/nieces/nephews/kids birthdays and you are living on almost nothing again. When you are a single parent,you are lucky if you can get by working 2 or 3 jobs, and see your children enough they still remember to call you mom. With a new election in 2016, no more Clintons, obomas …..no more socialist crap. We need someone who cares about our pocket books and not forcing welfare down our throats.


    • athynz1

      Hmmm lets see insults… check. Slander… check. Outrageous claims of harming others… check. Vincent Chu you are a troll.


    • journogal

      This one…Democrats took over the House and Senate the last two years of Bushs term, and then had a super majority up until the election of Scott Brown to replace Kennedy in the Senate. Republicans did not have control of the House until 2010.

      This information is easily accessible if you take the time to look it up and verify it.


      • cjhutch

        Oh, for Christs sake! READ the timelines! They are on the money! Just because you want your opinion to be factual and just because you want to ignore facts in favor of regurgitating rw talking points, it doesnt make the facts any less factual or your uninformed opinion any less ignorant and incorrect!! What is the matter with you people?? Are you just so allergic to factual information after living on a diet of Fox all these years that you cant even READ information from anywhere else?

        I have a low threshold for uninformed idiots who work so hard to remain uninformed idiots. People who are so bound and determined to remain uninformed are a waste of time and oxygen.


        • athynz1

          I have a low threshold for those who prefer to get their facts from one biased source.


          • cjhutch

            Unless,of course, that source is Fox. Then you will swallow it without chewing.
            For the record, I dont get my information from one, biased source. I rarely even go to MSNBC. You really should get all the facts, either politically and/or about me, before you open your mouth.

            I have nothing else to say to you. You are just another Republican with no compassion, no humanity and no facts.


            • athynz1

              You make a great many assumptions about me I take it you tend to do that with anyone who has a differing opinion. Then whine about how you dont have anything to say. Typical.

              cjhutch says:

              Unless,of course, that source is Fox. Then you will swallow it without chewing.

              I do not watch Fox news. I will peruse their website along with HuffPo and MSNBC to get differing takes on the issues and then make up my own mind. Fox is wrong on occasion just as HuffPo and MSNBC are wrong on occasion. Typically I tend to use the Drudge Report which is despite the lies told by liberal democrat extremists a non partisan collection of links to news stories.

              For the record, I dont get my information from one, biased source. I rarely even go to MSNBC. You really should get all the facts, either politically and/or about me, before you open your mouth.

              As should you. I seriously doubt you do more than check out Democrat Party biased sites for your facts… Otherwise you would not have quoted that Democrat senators webpage to me when I said that politicians of all stripes do little more than obstruct each other.

              I have nothing else to say to you. You are just another Republican with no compassion, no humanity and no facts.

              Wrong on just about all points. Im not a republican by any stretch, I am far more compassionate than you are, posses far more humanity, and I have the facts. All you have are biased ramblings, intolerance, and willful ignorance. I suggest you peruse less biased websites and stop with the labeling. I have a feeling that you will continue as you have with the bias and labels. Whatever helps you sleep at night.


    • delvalle7

      Democratic. …Republican. .. whichever. .. poverty is a huge issue. Economic devide caused the great depression. Its where we are heading. I already had the talk with my kids. No Christmas or birthdays for us. I work and dont collect assistance. We scrape by… barely. I owe a ton in student loans for an education that is just an expensive piece of paper. Our government is corrupt. .. all parties.


    • superdough

      The war on poverty has been an abject failure. The poorest, most crime ridden areas of our nation have been controlled by democrats for multiple generations. Conservatives dont hate the poor, in fact, they are far more charitable than liberals. What we hate is the generational slavery that welfare creates.


    • prettymeadow

      Most people havent gotten a raise in the last decade or two, and many others have had their wages slashed by up to 2/3. Current minimun wage is about the same as it was in 1954 but with 2014 price tags on everything you buy. Wages need to go up in order for the economy to take off. If there arent that many people with discretionary income to spend, the economy sputters. Millionaires and billionaires are not going to spend enough to get things moving, even if they did decide to redecorate their homes every 6 months.


    • http://www.larrys-house-plans-guide.com Larry Stauffer

      Being
      poor has a huge variety of definitions. I have seen people poor
      because they let their emotions rule their lives. They complain they
      cant get ahead because they dont have money. The problem lies in
      ambition. No ambition usually = no money. No budget usually = no
      money. I have been there. We got on a budget last year and within a
      few months my wife asked me, Did we get a raise? It sure felt like
      it. I used to be on a disability income but through paperwork screw-ups
      it got taken from me and I am forced to pay back 3 years worth of
      benefits totaling $37k. Since that crutch has been knocked out from
      under me (the best thing that happened to me financially), I had to pray
      harder, work harder and God has provided incredibly. This is still
      America. We get out of it what we put into it. From my perspective on
      life from my wheelchair, running my own business with just a high school
      education, the only poor thing going on is a poor attitude about life.
      The people who smile, keep their chin up, stare adversity in the face
      and say, You will not defeat me, are the rich people in America. I
      have never looked down on people who are on Welfare or a disability
      income. The only thing I look down on in utter disgust is an attitude
      of thinking one is stuck in that situation for life. Our faith and
      dependence on God and Jesus Christ has been replaced by government
      programs designed by politicians on both sides of the aisle who want to
      make us dependent on them. Wake up America! It is time to rekindle
      faith in our Creator, take charge of our own lives and stop making
      excuses.


    • Liz G

      This kind of journalism only adds fuel to the fire. It has an angry, feel sorry for me tone that only perpetuates the issues between conservatives and liberals. Having been below the poverty line myself, I know that hard work is not the answer, but working smarter is. My husband and I have lived on 90 dollars worth of food a month for both of us in the past and it did not involve ramen. We didnt buy presents for Christmas or anyones birthday, we certainly didnt drive or spend money on vehicle maintenance but instead walked and took public transportation. Yes, shopping at goodwill and thrift stores sucks but it helps you avoid having to choose between paying for power or water. Dental clinics from the local University and health clinics at Walgreens will cost around 110 dollars a year for both. Subletting your apartment will bring in a few extra hundred if you insist on living in a bigger place. I never paid more than 200 in a year for toiletries for both of us, we used the same shampoo, conditioner and soap made our own laundry detergent. Everyone who lives under the poverty line struggles and will feel stressed because of money, but you dont have to struggle like this author is implying. Education, learning to budget and breaking away from the cycle of materialism is how you face the struggles of being poor. This article does not perpetuate any of those things.


    • David Martinez

      As someone whose mom has supported me and 6 other people in the same house whilst under those medicaid and foodstamp programs, Im here to tell you they dont amount to shit. I see these Republicans, all the time, complaining about their money going to support people who are just lazy. My mother had a stroke, and was brought down to the point that her job as an assistant nurse fired her. Now, about every job in our state denies her because of her physical health. She gets $140 of food stamps each month, to feed; my 2 brothers, my 2 sisters, my 3 nieces, herself, and myself. She also gets $300 each month from unemployment. Now if youve ever owned a house, Mortgage, electricity, water, gas, cable, internet- 300 dollars is absolutely NOTHING. So it really makes me skin boil whenever I watch these privileged assholes spewing all this one sided faux news about the poor bathing in free government money. You dont, or ever will, be able to understand the shit the poor have to go through. Its gotten to the point where Ive told my mom that she shouldnt by me anything for Christmas, and instead Ill find a way to give her money for Christmas. Id rather see my mom with a coat that isnt 5+ years old on, then for me to get some useless gift.


    • fiona64

      they have always given them a relocation fee.

      So, the company pays for the move.

      Just. Like. I. Said.


    • Spot Ries

      nice bumper sticker saying. But in the real world, thats called NONSENSE.


    • fiona64

      I think you should look into a career writing fiction yourself, frankly … because you could not have your assertions more backwards if you tried.


    • fiona64

      This has already been debunked repeatedly. Just search the thread. Donating to church is not donating to charity.


    • YX Ra Kage

      Really tired of these miserable Republican government haters that support military and police, but seem to feel that the People can go screw themselves. Im here to tell you that if you feel that way, the majority of Americans feel that you are not a nice person and YOU should go do the same.


    • Smithie

      Or you dont wash your clothes as often as you should because laundry costs too much. Or you just dont go to the doctor for anything because you cant afford it. Or you wait until your wisdom tooth is infected to the point where the walk-in clinic will give you antibiotics because its cheaper than getting it pulled at the dentist. Or you skip meals- if you can ride out the hunger overnight, youll have skipped dinner and saved some money and made your food last longer. Plenty of ways to live within your means and make sure you dont fall behind on bills. Because paying bills is way more important than food or healthcare.


    • Carl Burkhardt

      The truth is only a very small number of people are legitimately struggling due to things they had no control over. Most people, rich or poor, are in their financial situation due to choices they made throughout their life.

      Much of it is due to American culture having a very low risk assessment for everything. People make poor assumptions like their income will always stay the same or grow each year, they assume their job is secure, they expect to live to a certain age, etc. They accrue debt by focusing on financing expenses, they are unwilling to postpone things like college, moving, a car, etc., because they feel entitled to an arbitrary standard of living. People also spend above their means by purchasing things like brand name goods and fast foods, instead of generic items.

      I am guilty of these things like all Americans to some degree, but at least I am willing to admit it, rather than blame my circumstances on unfairness.


      • Smithie

        Do you have any idea, financially, what [postponing] things like college, moving, a car, etc., will cost you? You want to talk financial responsibility? To postpone college means being relegated to jobs that pay $8.25 an hour- IF you have transportation, which you so brilliantly think people should forgo. Now, at what point on those kinds of earnings do you think youll be able to not postpone college? Its no wonder you make poor decisions with your finances; I can see youre not educated about the difference in life a college education makes- as far as retirement finances or anything else goes.
        The amount of money youd have to spend on games and fast foods would have to be astronomical to add up to the amount a reliable car or a college education would cost you- do the math. You cant live within your means when you dont even have enough means to live.


        • Carl Burkhardt

          You misread my post. I was speaking of postponing college when the risk is too high; namely, when one has no emergency money if they flunk out, or some other disastrous thing occurs. Ideally, no one should finance college, but you also need to make sure to lower the risk by choosing things like a community or in state college, a major that has more job demand and higher income opportunities, etc.

          The problem is our culture has created this idea of a 4 year college after high school, so if someone cant finish or find a career in their major until 6 or 8 years after high school, they consider it unacceptable. The reality is some fields of study require a masters to obtain a job, many students take 5 years to obtain a bachelors, and some fields have very low demand. Students often dont think such things through properly when they enter college, not to mention only half of college grads now enter a job market in their field of study.

          Our culture, television, high schools, etc. never teach all these things. They simply tend to teach that you need a college degree to obtain a decent career, they teach everything can be financed through loans, they teach that every kid should go to college. They should really be teaching them how to shop on a low budget, realistic expectations of housing sizes, that pets and children cost a lot of money, and that only the lucky ones get the job they want even If they are qualified.


    • sa_rose

      I lived this. I have nd worked as anRN for years. But with 3kids, it wasstilla oinch. We qualified for Food StampsAndCHIPS, but with me working 2jobs, my kids werenot gourmet chefs. I had to get things they could cook on their own. Ar ,which ncessitated 4 surgeries for tubes. One chil had asthma,so acold was a serius problem. And candleswork whenyou dont have electricity. Paythe water billfirst! Other peoplein my town did not work,hadhousing, Medicaid, foodstamps, and were on every ggive away list for school supplies, free clothes,shoes, Christmasgifts, Christmastrees, evenHoliday dinners. They had far more discretionary income thanI ever had.. that does not encourage people to ever work. I was taught toworkfor what I needed and wanted, andI would be ok. It was a lie.


    • Jack

      Another leftist who hasnt a clue about the real world. Shame on you for passing judgement on those of us who bust their asses working blue collar jobs and donate their time and money to help fellow citizens/neighbors who have fallen on hard times. You actually think/believe that just because a person votes republican they automatically love to hate poor people? Are you out of your mind!? How dare you paint us all with one broad stroke! This would be like me making a blanket statement about liberals being the most intolerant (liberals demean, demonize and destroy reputations if you disagree with them politically) and are racist people(latest example those Hollywood emails) Ms. Argueta, until you learn you have to remove your blinders before you can really see, Im afraid you will remain blind to how people really are. Stop allowing yourself to be led by the nose by party leaders and go out and meet the everyday blue collar working people, sit down and talk to them. We dont love to hate the poor, with obama sinking our economy we all know we could very easily be walking in the working poors shoes anyday.
      Stop regurgitating talking points put out by your party and think for yourself.


      • fiona64

        I think you seriously need to take a long, hard look at the policies that the GOTeabirchers support which specifically include destroying the safety net for the poor.


        • Jack

          Please be more specific about which policies so I can address them.


          • fiona64

            Cutting Medicaid. Cutting school lunch programs. Cutting food stamps. Trying to stop the ACA.


            • Jack

              Food Stamps a family of 4 gets $668/mo. That was cut back $36. Do you really think people are going to starve to death over $36? Food Stamps is a Supplemental Nutritional Program. Its not supposed to pay for all of your food. Its not supposed to pay for all of your beer. Its not supposed to pay for all of your cigarettes. Its not supposed to pay for all of your candy bars. Its a supplement. Under the program, the citizen is still to provide the bulk of his own food, just like Social Security was a supplemental retirement fund. Social Security was never intended to be a persons full retirement.

              From a article dated October 2013 In 2009, President Obamas stimulus package temporarily pumped extra dollars into food stamps in an attempt to stimulate the economy. The temporary increase is now ending. On average, household benefits for those receiving the maximum amount of food stamps will decrease by about 5 percent.
              Yeah…keep telling yourself it was those nasty Republicans…

              ACA I have 2 words for you Jonathan Gruber.

              Medicaid per Mr Gruber We had a pretty powerful senator you may have heard of, Ted Kennedy. … Ted Kennedy had managed to figure out a way to rip off the federal Medicaid program to the tune of about $500 million a year through a series of strange manipulations.This is Gruber actually explaining to an applauding audience.

              Mr Gruber went on to say George Bush saw what was going on, and he said, Why am I sending this Democrat $500 million a year, Im taking it back. Were not gonna give Massachusetts $500 million a year. Gruber explained, adding Mitt Romney, to his credit, went to George Bush and said, Look, can we keep the money if we use it for universal coverage. And Bush to his credit said yes.
              So…you have Democrats stealing from the Federal govt. and you want to stomp your feet about Republicans?

              School Lunches Lunches were not going to be cut, budget items never are in big govt. When an increase in budget spending is not as much as theyd hoped for, they called it a cut. You could spend 5% more next year than this, and if they expected it would increase 8%, theyd call it a 3% budget cut, when in reality it was a 5% increase.

              One thing to remember is in politics nothing is as it seems. For budget items threatening to be cut I suggest you research baseline budgeting instead of believing everything you hear from the Democratic Party.


            • fiona64

              First of all, cigarettes cannot be purchased with SNAP benefits. Stop making an ass of yourself.

              Second, Pres. Obama is *not* the lawmaker. Retake civics if you must, so that you can learn how government operates.

              I will thank you to provide actual citations for your assertions, so that I may review them in situ.


            • Jack

              First, my citations regarding SNAP benefits are pending approval of the site administrator.
              Second, no idea what youre talking about regarding obama not being a lawmaker.


            • fiona64

              So, you dont know how the government works? I suggest you take a remedial civics course.


            • Jack

              Its been my life experience that when a person asks for clarification on what another person says and that person answers with condescension and belittlement…it means THEY are the ones who dont know what they are talking about. Thats what I figured would happen with you.


    • Tommy6860

      Good article Shannon. It goes with the say what John Fugelsang once said (paraphrasing) the rich tell the middle class to blame the poor people. Having said that, your bio claims Florida to be an extremely red state. Thats hard to say considering its been purple for a long time now. It certainly makes the news in its right wing nuttery though.


    • Jack

      What improvements? Please list them…


      • Ron McKie

        like these?


    • fiona64

      Its people like you who make life miserable for everyone and who impede
      progress toward everyone doing more than just getting by.

      I think you may have replied to the wrong person, since i have been continually trying to make the same points you did in this post to people who are not willing to listen because they are blind to their own privilege. :-(


    • fiona64

      Thank you for sharing your story. The people here who are making the argument that the poor are lazy, or should just do XYZ have no idea.


    • fiona64

      This is demonstrably incorrect. And thats aside from the fact that putting more money in peoples pockets allows them to spend more thus creating more jobs.

      Trickle-down economics has been a myth from day one.


    • fiona64

      Im sure that the people who have been denied assistance would be very interested to learn that.


    • Jack

      You have a hateful and spiteful tone that provokes others. Someone needs to remind you that youre acting like a brat. Very unbecoming. I bet you stomp your feet and hold your breath, too.


      • fiona64

        It must really frost you that you cant control me, Jack. You might want to see someone about that.


        • Jack

          No frosting. I find you predictably amusing.


    • Jack

      Yes you must because contrary to what you apparently think, Im not glued to each and every comment you make. How was I to know you posted it before? Geez!
      Now, about that dribble you linked to. It totally reinforced what I imagined you to be. It also made me realize how much it sucks to be you. Not only are you burdened with being born female but you are….you are….dare I say it out loud? Ye Gads Fiona youre WHITE! Probably a nice alabaster shade or maybe even a lily white or a snow white! The sheer volume of guilt you lug around all day must be awful!
      No wonder youre so angry, rude and hateful all the time. All that privilege shoved down your throat, what were your parents thinking?


      • fiona64

        Thanks for continuing to prove my point that those who benefit most from their privilege are a) blind to it, and b) get awfully pissed off when its pointed out to them.

        Unlike you, Im aware that I have a level of privilege. Unlike you, Im aware that you and your fellow white males sit at the top of the privilege totem pole that you created. :shrug::


        • Jack

          Im not pissed off in the least, sorry to disappoint you. I disagree with your privilege theory. The more we communicate the more sorry I feel for you, seriously. Life is too short to be so consumed by negative emotions…bitterness, hate, resentment, guilt, jealousy and especially anger. It takes a lot of energy to keep feeding that negativity.


          • fiona64

            And again, so much projection. Way to go, Jack.


            • Jack

              Merry Christmas, Fiona64 :-)


    • Jack

      Big whoop….had nothing to do with Obama and his destructive policies. The growth is driven by fracking and the Fed not raising % rates. We still have 90 million+ people out of the job force which means the REAL unemployment figure is more like 11%, were 18 trillion $ in the hole with no way out, a healthcare system built on lies(Mr. Gruber). So like I asked…please list the improvements.


      • mainemomma

        Do you have a 401K? Or stock investments? Remember the balances in 2008, and look at the balance now. I agree, we are not where we need to be, by a long shot. But to say that we are not better off is just mulish and dim.


        • Jack

          Yes I have a 401k and stock investments. The balances now are built on a house of cards. The Fed has been pumping gazillions into the economy for 7 years now and keeping inflation low with zero %rates. Do you have any idea the trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines waiting for rates to rise so it can be invested? What obama is trying to do has never been done successfully in the history of the world. Think Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe…we have a $18+trillion debt…I pity the younger generation of college kids and their children…they will be working to hand over a good chunk of their paycheck to pay the debt down. This was a terrible thing to do to the younger generations coming up.


      • fiona64

        Citations needed. Thanks in advance.


        • Jack

          Go look it up yourself. The information is out there for the taking.


          • fiona64

            You made the assertions of fact; its incumbent upon you to back it up. Im not doing your homework for you, Jack.

            Its okay to admit that you dont have any citations.


    • Roberto Munoz-Alicea

      Try to put yourselves in other peoples shoes. As bad as you had it, many people may have it way worse than you. Many people work really hard and it is just to make it through another day. Just because you were able to overcome your situation, as difficult as it may have been, doesnt mean that everyone else can do it the same. And the fact that it was so difficult for you indicates that its impossible or at least virtually impossible for so many others. Dont look down on those who struggle, because you were there too or you might be some day. Nobody is immune to calamity, and tragedy can strike you any day: an illness, an accident, a natural disaster,… Thats the same attitude that makes some people claim that people who have a job that doesnt pay as much as theirs are not trying hard enough. Some people look down on janitors, cashiers, and even careers that require college degrees, like teachers. Many of them equate money with success, and they think also that if they became rich then everyone else can do it too. It is really false humility to speak this way, because they do not realize that, while they might have worked and struggled really hard to get where they are, somewhere along the line they got lucky. Whether it was that they were able to move to a better part of the country, or they were able to get a loan to go to school, or were able to pay for the bus or train to take them to work and/or school, or had family or friends who supported them, or had the physical and mental health to do what they did to get where they are, at some point they got lucky.


    • fiona64

      Yet another one who thinks that reproductive rights should be based on the size of someones wallet. Feh.


      • Leinad Noscaasi

        It has nothing to do with rights. No one is suggesting taking away your ability to have children. What IS being suggested is that it is fiscally irresponsible, and terribly cruel, to have children that you cannot support.


        • fiona64

          I assume you are using the general you here.

          Anyway, it is not up to you to make decisions about peoples rights to reproduce. Youd probably be one of the first ones to scream about Chinas one-child policy if it were implemented here, wouldnt you?

          And, again, some people fall on hard times *after they have children.*


    • fiona64

      Im sorry; my neocon-to-English decoder ring is broken. Thus, this post makes no sense.


    • fiona64

      The moment youre quoting the Heritage Foundation (a neo-con think tank), youre losing all credibility.


      • Joe Cottereuax

        I quote whomever actually does their due diligence and reports FACTS, not supposition, conjuncture, or emotional viewpoints. I also have friends who work in country welfare departments who say the same thing. ever see what cars the poor drive to pick up their welfare checks at the welfare office when the check is late?

        try visiting a really poor third world country if you want to see the definition of poor. they dont drive Cadillacs, have cable TV & Internet, big screen TVs, real stoves, microwave, refrigerators, running water for showers & toilets, etc.


        • fiona64

          If you quote people who report facts, why are you citing the Heritage Foundation? Dont you know how to evaluate sources for bias?

          And stop with the other people have it worse nonsense. Were talking about working poor in the US … and talking about other people does not help them. It just shows your privilege even further.

          PS: You can stop with the nonsense about cars. You dont know whether people are getting a lift from a neighbor; youre just looking for an excuse to bigot.


          • Joe Cottereuax

            fiona64, unfortunately, the heritage Foundations is pretty acute in their studies as I have personally verified their information sources. You will just have to continue living with the knowledge you wake up everyday being wrong, and in a dream world of liberal hate. Lose the stupid attitude and try actually reading real studies, not internet blogs, for information.

            Poor unfortunately, is a relative term. A reasonable person would not think that anyone having pretty much every modern convenience, is poor. I grew up in a small home, shared my bedroom with my brother, home without air conditioning, without a color TV, and did not own a car. I walked to school everyday, in good weather, in the rain, and in the snow. I had one pair of shoes for school and one pair of beat up Converse sneakers no Air Jordens. Guess that made me really poor!

            You must be really wealthy if you think the poor in the US are really poor. You must be one of those liberal 1/2 of 1% people. Do you pay your servants and illegals a living wage? I doubt it. What do they need money for when you give them the privilege of working for you?

            As to the cars, I suspect poor people do not have friends with Cadillacs waiting to drive them to the county welfare office to collect their paychecks. Seems counter intuitive being poor yet living in a neighbor where your neighbors have Cadillacs. Bazinga!


            • fiona64

              Thanks for proving my point about your neocon bigotry so beautifully.


    • fiona64

      How about you MYOB about other peoples reproductive decisions? It apparently has never occurred to you that people may fall on hard times *while already having children.*


      • Leinad Noscaasi

        How about we make the use of birth control a requirement for public aid. If you can support your family and want to go off aid you can anytime. But no further support for future kids.


        • fiona64

          How about if you mind your own goddamned business about the reproductive decisions of people who are NOT YOU?

          Jesus wept, you people are frigging *draconian.*

          Youre too poor to have kids but Dont you dare have an abortion right in the same breath.


    • Leinad Noscaasi

      Quit having kids you cant afford and it solves half of these. Take a pill, wrap it up or close your legs. Its really that simple


      • fiona64

        Mind your own business about the sex lives of strangers. Its really that simple.


      • The Postman

        Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. Its really that simple.


    • ItsNicki

      Nope. Thats just plain untrue.
      Even a juvenile adjudication for possession of marihuana- a petty misdemeanor- can prevent you from receiving federal grants or loans. Its a collateral consequence of the adjudication. You can argue that the person is at fault for having weed but how many teens have tried pot? You think they know that they could literally have their lives ruined for getting caught with it?


    • Chicho Blanco

      The vast majority of those getting assistance are employed. If you arent smart enough to do some research and understand an issue that says a lot about you.


      • Marianne

        agree and ty! I know many who work and cannot live well enough with the low wages to get decent food…plus more!


      • Melanie LaPoint

        If you arent smart enough to do some research and understand an issue that says a lot about you.

        You just described every Republican in America.


        • Marilyn

          No they didnt.


        • StarinIN

          Thats not fair at all. Most of us dont mind helping the poor and needy, we just hate supporting the lazy. I spent most of my life being poor.


      • Barbedwire

        Really??? Is that true, even after Obama eliminated the work requirement? Why eliminate it, if the vas majority are doing it? Wheres your documentation?


        • Mary Winston Provance

          Let me think, every other single mother I know getting any help works. I worked full time and still needed help. No child support, you are an asshat-why not use Google and look for the statistics yourself? Why should those of us who know the truth do the work for you? We work hard enough as it is- and by the way, go eat a box of rocks why dont you?


          • Barbedwire

            The truth really bothers you..wow!! You seem to think that simply because youre poor and work, you are somehow OWED SOMETHING FROM OTHER TAXPAYERS. Not our fault, you made mistakes and were unable to get yourself out of it. Those working poor dont have good jobs….maybe THEY SHOULD CHANGE THAT!!

            My parents never told me life was easy. It wasnt. I worked hard at an education and then at a career, and raising my one child…because I absolutely couldnt afford more, for many reasons.

            The only real difference between us… you blame others for your life. I blame myself and took credit myself, for my life. Didnt expect anyone else to pay for my bad choices. At times, if my income was low…I spent less, and when I made a little more, I saved some for when income might be down again. Ive always found there are ways to cut spending.


            • Mary Winston Provance

              WTF are you talking about?I dont blame anyone for anything. I have worked hard all my life-you are a cretin. I dont expect anyone to pay my way- but you know SNAP sure came in handy when my heating bill was 300 a month in the winter- and Medicaid came in handy when my full time job didnt offer insurance of any sort. Get off you damn high horse. I have a very good job now, and a ton of student loans to pay. I bet between the two of us I can budget better than you can, can make a good meal for four, for less than 15.00. You learn a lot being working poor. I bet you dont know how to make a cake from scratch, I do, I made my kids birthday cakes for them because guess what? A store bought cake is not only expensive, but it doesnt taste as good. As I said above- why not google yourself and see the statistics. As for those good jobs pray tell where are they? Oh right, they got shipped overseas! What an ignorant git you are. Bet you are a Republican or a Libertarian, and that you claim to be a Christian too. You and your ilk make me flamingly angry.


            • Barbedwire

              Right…. you dont expect anyone to pay your way?? But YOU DID.

              no child support??? NO HUSBAND?? You had the wealth and time for 3 children??? No, but had them anyway. Maybe, you didnt know children cost $, even paying for daycare for 1 child is 1/3 less than paying for 3 children?? And your time away from work increases? My health wouldve been harmed by more children, so I had one, with a good man/husband (by choice). As far as good jobs being shipped??? I know MANY businesses, paying good wages/benefits; always looking for employees because people dont really want to work at something requiring thinking, accountability….not easy/fun. I worked hard, all my life…variety of jobs, spent 20 years in the insurance industry (not sent over-seas and I know how HARD they work); but (Im not wealthy); but not blaming OTHERS for the life I chose.


            • Jacqueline Jentz

              -_-!!!!


            • Barbedwire

              Right…. great response??? not.


            • QuantumVirus

              Congratulations. You are a slave of the system. Mentally and physically.


            • milehinancy

              Agree she is doing exactly that trying to blame all her ills on others to excuse be in the situation she is in.


            • RealityIsNotOptional

              I am a Libertarian, but I think you have done a great job navigating through the minefield of life. I hope you share your survival wisdom with those in true need of a hand up and not expecting a hand out.


            • QuantumVirus

              A hand up is a hand out.


            • RealityIsNotOptional

              Quantum Virus… I enjoy giving a hand-up or as you think hand-out….Help people because the bottom line is you are going to die anyway.


            • milehinancy

              Wow this is an old article but it makes me angry when I read comments like yours. You lose all credibility paint a very derogatory picture of yourself when you resort to insults directed at other posters right off the bat simply because they say something you dont like. Noone should pay you any mind.


            • Dee Zilske

              Did they teach you that in church?


            • Barbedwire

              No. Im sort of a reformed Catholic. Raised that way; but in my middle/older years, my eyes are more critical to the hypocrisy and truths behind much of their teaching. Catholic Church is the wealthiest organization in the world, a good ole boys club, not wishing to share with women who wish to also serve God in the church. I have an aunt who is a nun shes 89 and still working. But, they serve a purpose for many, who believe and need the community of God. If it works for them, as I believe we all have a need to believe in something GREATER than us, and the difference is shown often: The SC church deaths by one crazy their reaction was to gather together for strength and know its better for them to forgive. In Baltimore anger/race baiting, destroying…. which is actually occurring, now, at an increased rate.

              These things I believe, Ive learned in a life of 60+ years, going through it. And, find many conservatives ARE the older/wiser.


            • TrentC

              60+ years so youre living off the taxpayer now… just as I thought.


            • Barbedwire

              NOT. As I said, you have no CLUE who I am.


            • Jacqueline Jentz

              Anthat wealthiest organization in the world has saved me and countless of others from cold/starvation of body AND SPIRIT! I hope you can become closer with Jesus again sister!


            • Barbedwire

              Wow!! Maybe you just need to improve your comprehension skills.

              As I said, The Catholic Church works for many. I was just accused of my comments coming from what I learned in church?? And, I mentioned MY relationship with THE CHURCH.

              Also, what I learned: The Catholic Church is an worldly organization managed by humans. It has had NO affect on my relationship with Jesus, God, or Lord. Maybe, you didnt know??? Jesus WASNT A CATHOLIC???? Geez.


            • Jacqueline Jentz

              I am praying for your soul right now sister! God help you! Smh!


            • Jacqueline Jentz

              And while she IS/HAS worked all those years PAYING TAXES,NOW SHE DOESNT DESERVE ***ENTITLEMENTS**** SAD! YOU WOUKLD RATHER PPL STARVE HUH? JESUS HELP YOU PLEASE! I PRAY HE SPEAKS TO YOU ABOUT GREED!


            • Barbedwire

              while she is/has worked….

              Who are you talking about?

              And, in a country where we have an obesity crisis…we have few people ACTUALLY starving to death.

              My dictionary: New Oxford American
              greed |gred|noun, intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or What sort of greed, exactly, do you think I have, when talking about self-responsibility, not blaming others???


            • NursingRocks

              As a medical student I must correct this misconception. It is a known fact that people who are obese often times are malnourished. Malnourishment leads to starvation of the body cells, which in turn leads to death. Unfortunately many people dont have access to proper nutrient or have not been blessed with good eating/cooking habits from their parents. The best thing we could do to help these people would be to teach them how to shop, and cook. I feel this would be a more rewarding approach, than arguing with people who you have unintentionally offended. I offer this as education for all.


            • Barbedwire

              Why not answer my questions??


            • Robyn Ryan

              Lucky you. what if you were injured? Or laid off? Or sick. Your lack of empathy is appalling.


            • Barbedwire

              My husband and I have experienced ALL of those, and not being the wealthy, it was hard; but we made it through. And, I have too much empathy, unlike the lib victimhood ideology that offers no road to success; I would like to see more people succeed in their personal lives, as it would be better for them…and great for the entire country. The more people who succeed… the more our country succeeds. I also didnt know these discussions were to offer sympathy. I thought it was more in the realm of a sharing of information, and YOU dont learn from people who have the same experience, knowledge, information as YOU DO.


            • TrentC

              Bull. You dont make enough money to pay your medical bills, either at birth or in later life. And who pays the parents, grandparents, nursing home and health bills not you! So quit ranting about what a great person you are for paying your own way. You dont.


            • Barbedwire

              Not sure what you think you know???? These lib trolls on here have said how great they are. Im just sharing my experience and promoting self-responsibility. My parents, almost 90, taught me many great values…. as I see them, today, still living a good independent life because of it.


            • Kiara Powell

              Somtimes thats not true, things happen to those who actually worked really well….. My dad owned 2 businesses, worked as a surgeon assistant, then a baker at Sams, then a foster parent…… and he worked hard but is poor right now…… how do you expect a person willing to work hard and get out of the situation if they dont have the assistance needed to get back on their feet? Not everybody abuses the system…… but because I grew up in a poor family I work hard for what I get even though its extremely hard to get medical assistance, or paying for me to continue my education….. so never down poor people some didnt choose that lifestyle


            • Barbedwire

              Wow!! I dont down poor people. As I said, Ive been in the lower income class most of my life. I lived accordingly, and my point, that certainly is MISSED HERE I didnt blame victimhood, rich white people (who have given me jobs). It didnt bother me, especially as I had the pride of being independent and succeeding at the challenge. Money doesnt solve ALL PROBLEMS, as the rich experience the same real problems in life, as the poor.

              These healthy single poor women receive more money from taxpayers if they have a few children, than they believe they can ever earn; and thats a choice; and why the births to poor single mothers has tripled in 50 years, and they dont care that there isnt a responsible father around, because the taxpayer pays; but the CHILDREN STILL MISS THE 2-PARENT STABLE HOME and our society is suffering the results.


            • Kiara Powell

              *You seem to think that simply because youre poor and work, you are somehow OWED SOMETHING FROM OTHER TAXPAYERS. Not our fault, you made mistakes and were unable to get yourself out of it. Those working poor dont have good jobs….maybe THEY SHOULD CHANGE THAT!! * Thats where you got me at honestly…… Sometimes a poor person cant help their situation and I never said money solves everything, I clearly know that…. how is that statement not downing poor people? As stated before not everybody abuses the system…… *The only real difference between us… you blame others for your life.* This is also where you got me…… Im poor but never blamed others for my situation……. I work for what I want whether people offer to help me or not punt blank period……. and I understand you sharing your experience but the way you introduced it kinda made it seem like you were just targeting poor people…..


            • Barbedwire

              not punt blank period…. What does that mean?

              People always do have choices… even if its the lessor of two evils. Weve never made a whole lot of money, so I had to be smart, decide what was important….and I know many who made a whole lot more; and complain constantly they just cant make ends meet.

              I worked with well-paid professionals. Some lived from paycheck to paycheck, while another was smarter, invested, worked on his wealth during all his off hours, and he was a millionaire on paper. Neither wanted to live the others life, even knowing the $ outcome was so different.

              If a person has health… their earnings can be (to a degree) at the bottom or actually move them to upper class. Its like pitying the disabled… which isnt giving them a chance to succeed with pride and not be dependent. These poor women, intentionally have babies for the $ they can receive, and that IS their choice to stay poor and sentence their children to the same. That poor woman could finish school, even college, get a good job, respect herself and get married, have a child or 2 and HER outcome would be different.


            • Apathetic

              Not everyone can just get a better job. My the way you speak Id imagine you 40s or 50s. Your generation had a livable minimum wage, a better all around economy, and a proper education cost a fraction of what it does now.


            • Barbedwire

              I am 60s, and minimum wage was never enough to live on, or care for a family. I remember when it was $2.00/hour or less. Education of all sorts is actually FREE, in the U.S. for the needy. The U.S. provides better than any other country, for our poor, but for those getting it for free, its just never enough, or it is enough, as we have generational poor in our country.


            • southern feminist

              none of that matters. in the richest country in the world, there is absolutely NO excuse for any child, elderly, veteran, or an underemployed worker should go hungry, homeless, or without healthcare. and EVEN if there existed equality of opportunity, which there doesnt, there would still exist a need for someone to serve you your food, service your home systems, teach your children, protect your streets are you saying that these people should subsist on next to nothing because you deem their respective life choices as below par?

              life is not easy and certainly not fair, but if we can afford to borrow millions from social security to fight a war that has been outed as a lie, then WHY can we not seem to find the money to care for our own?

              research inflation, then you will see clearly how spending beneath your means is not an option when prices have tripled in twenty years and pay wages have not…….


            • Barbedwire

              Wow….just wow!!! Why are some of you still responding to my post… many days ago??? You just hate to think you lost a discussion? I was called a troll, simply because I responded to a comment sent to me?? I could argue every comment from you and your libbies on here; but ITS A WASTE OF MY TIME, you shown yourself to be unable to learn or simply consider there are others (more than 50% of the country consider themselves conservative) that dont agree with your victim ideal.

              the richest country in the world? Our capitalistic system has made many individuals rich, and most importantly a large middle class. The Govt has NOTHING, no $ and if spending was concurrent with wealth = they are $18T in debt. As the Dem party has moved so far left, that a Socialist and a farther left corrupt woman are the ONLY and favored presidential candidates for POTUS in 2017…. the country will continue to be less wealthy except for our elite in charge.


            • Carlton McLemore

              Hillary is a leftist? Jeez… you are so frickin out of touch, Ms. 60 y.o. walking Faux News demographic.


            • Sophie

              Barbedwire, youre apparently one of those people who loves to preach making smart choices over and over again. That as if only most of the working poor only made better choices, that they would be in a better place today, when its simply not that simple.

              As I read somewhere, making choices means having options (hopefully ones you can actually benefit from or take advantage of) and for most of the working poor, their choices are really crappy ones or none at all and even ones that would put them in a position worse than they are in now. Making good choices, as you are so fond of preaching, is really a luxury to many working poor. So for you to so arrogantly talk down to people to just get a better job then is incredibly insulting. We are not as in much control of our lives as you seem to think.


        • Jacqueline Jentz

          Since when did Obama eliminate the work requiremnets?!? < NOT TRUE AT ALL! NOPE! YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR FREE FOR 40 HOURS A WEEK TO GET FS! I DO! SOOO I know!js


    • LauraAkers

      No, you dont. Depends on a variety of factors. You only listed two.


    • christianh

      Rich people should be the ones in church all day praying… One bad day and there will be a LOT LESS RICH PEOPLE…


    • fiona64

      Its funny how you had to find things older than the article about economic growth that I shared to try to make your point. Your articles have been overcome by events, Jackie-oh. Cest la guerre.


    • Jack

      Oh….you meant THAT article? I mustve dosed off…..


      • fiona64

        Typical Teabircher; stick your fingers in your ears and chant NANANANA when facts are presented, and then go back to your bigoted nonsense.


        • Jack

          Did you not read the links I posted in support of my claims? Apparently, you suffer from LDS..Liberal Derangement Syndrome. I have supported my claim with FACTS from the USBureau of Labor Statistics for Gods sake and still you insist on resorting to school yard name calling while stomping your feet, holding your breath and closing your eyes….youre mad because I can and do support my claims. Youre mad because the world really isnt flat…there are other viable opinions worthy of debate versus the same old democrat party talking points regurgitated on a daily basis.


          • fiona64

            Oh, sweetie. I guess you missed my reply, in which I explained exactly why you lost all credibility the minute you cited ZeroHedge … using its own disclaimer, which states that there is no guarantee of accuracy on *anything* on the site.

            Cest la guerre.

            But you keep screaming, dear. Im sure it makes you feel better.


            • Jack

              For some reason this website takes forever to clear comments, my reply is still pending…but in the meantime, Id like to address your latest outburst regarding Zero Hedges disclaimer…you cant be serious about this….youre actually going to try and use the disclaimer which is intended to fend off lawsuits regarding financial investments and your garden variety lawsuits. The graph used in the article I cited is from the UNITED STATES BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS! Typical liberal…when confronted with facts they meltdown into a blithering, blabbering hissy fit. Congratulations my dear…I nominate you for poster girl for LDS (Liberal Derangement Syndrome). ROFL!!!!

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    • LauraAkers

      Some possibilities:

      1) She could not afford birth control. Condoms are expensive, and hormonal BC requires doctors visits which are also expensive. Abortions likewise.

      2) She lives in a state that severely limits abortions and she was unable to attain one.

      3) Because shes pro-life.


    • danielle

      This is where people should clearly have made better life choices….instead of focusing on being poor focus on how to get out of it and do better for yourself and kids.


    • Sh Eli

      13) The sick pet struggle. Its even harder than a sick child to get a boss to understand when your pet is sick and needs care. In a single parent home or a single person, there is no one else to watch the animal, animal sitting places are nearly as expensive as child care. Most bosses seem to think you are lazy/crazy because you love an animal and cannot fathom leaving them when they are ill or dying.

      I have even heard one ultra conservative friend say poor people should not own pets and how he gets so angry at homeless people who have a dog. That just makes me furious. Most homeless people with a dog treat the animal better than theirselves. Then after losing a job, home, car, whatever to think I would then be expected to not have a pet? Pets reduce stress. They make us happy and help us. Most of us have hundreds to thousands of dollars, let alone our hearts invested in our years with our pets. I have received write-ups for missing work when my old dog got sick and died three years ago, and when my cats needed me too.

      I hate to say it but it is nearly better to lie and say you are sick rather than a pet other than most places demand a Drs note and that is another expense already mentioned. I could go on and on…


    • Smrk Smrk

      You dont even have to be a parent to feel this


    • Ms_Fit

      Absolutely weve thought of it. Weve never lived above our means, and we have insurance and savings. I would probably have to work more than I do, but I can maintain our modest house on just my income. And you can bet as long as I am able to do ANYTHING-including flipping burgers to support myself without help, I will do it.


      • Dona Dunsmore

        I am 74 and I have been where this lady is writing about in the 70s. I have never received any kind of aid and never even taken unemployment benefits. Incidentally, I still paid income tax through all that time. Instead of talking past each other, I wish people who had clout to effect change would figure out why those people you speak of that cant or wont work and why most are working but still in this position and what we could do about it. When I was self employed, I hired 4 people through a federal program that would give us a tax break. The job (title insurance industry) was beyond the capabilities of two of them. One of them lost so much in benefits, it was really too expensive for her to get to work (two bus changes and child care problems) and one was great and worked for us a long time. Now we dont even try to address problems but seem determined only to destroy this president.


      • kwkr

        Not if you cant hold the spatula!! Bet youre a pew sitting Christian, no one judges like those good peolpe


        • Ms_Fit

          It seems to me youve got the judgement thing down pretty good. You dont know anything about me or my religion, but youve pigeon holed me because of one opinion you dont agree with.


          • mid2348

            No, I think he or she understands you perfectly- the self righteous, singing her own praises type. A little kindness goes a long way, and you dont seem to possess any aspect of compassion.


      • http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=117702957&trk=hb_tab_pro_top Ty

        Thats the thing. One CANT support themselves just by flipping burgers. Thats a farse.


        • Lee Bauer

          Only they should be able to. The idea that people should get a better job to be able to support themselves is absurd. If everyone got a better job then thered be no movie theaters, no restaurants, no clothing stores, etc with the way employees are paid. On top of that, the public bathrooms would be even WORSE in terms of sanitation. (Think having to bring your own toilet paper into the bathrooms just so you can go to the bathroom.)

          You shouldnt be able to look down upon the very people you rely on for services just because you dont want their job.


          • http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=117702957&trk=hb_tab_pro_top Ty

            Oh Lee, I didnt mean that its below me, thats definitely not what I meant. They should at least be able to bring a decent income home.


        • chad

          Because its an entry level job for younger people in high school or going to college or mothers or dads doing part time work so they can bring in a little extra money. Because these places usually have flexible hours so you go to school or take care of family while other mother/father are at work. You choose to make that a career your own fault. You screw up and have kids early your own fault not everyone elses fault. So YOU fix it. The rest of us shouldnt


          • Taya Arminger

            Not one of the fifteen or so menial, entry level jobs that I worked prior to becoming chronically ill had hours that could be considered flexible. The hours are flexible to the *employers* convenience, not the other way around. When you work a starter job, you absolutely must work every other aspect of your life around what, in most cases, are ever-changing shifts and random days off. Schedules are posted two weeks in advance and your boss doesnt have to accommodate the appointments that you made for three weeks in advance. You must have been born with at least a middle class spoon in your mouth or something or you wouldnt talk about things you CLEARLY cant understand.


      • americanwoman343

        No doubt you would, but that doesnt mean you wouldnt be presented with every one of these challenges. You ought not to be too proud to listen.


      • Lewis Johnson

        And, should that at some point prove to be not quite enough, what then? Would you still stand and say what you just did? Would you quietly fade into the shadows in shame? THAT is what many do, until it gets so bad that someone else has to convince them that they need to accept the help that is available! Have you any idea how many children turn up hungry and barely clothed at school, because their parents are not quite making it, but are too proud to take hand-outs?


    • BC

      Lets see, many electric and water companies have assistance programs to help the poor pay their bills. Many food banks assist w/ food when people are in need, (and some IF you mention your in need of personal care items also provide those). Some have even been known to offer a gift card so that they can purchase the items at the store themselves.

      If you cant afford to buy for Christmasthen stop worrying about BUYING for Christmas, when I couldnt afford it..I didnt go out and buy a tree, I didnt make Christmas about gifts I changed the meaning for my kids..even now, many years later with kids of their own they dont focus on the gifts money can buy, but the things money cant buy..

      And stop buying into the you have to throw a birthday party..or have a cake and ice cream or any such thing..there are many ways to celebrate that dont cost an arm and a leg..

      Most schools today have various organizations that collect school supplies for students during the summer and donate them to the schools when it starts..and give backpacks filled with school supplies to students whose families cant afford to buy them.

      Many areas also have clothes closets to provide clothing for those in need, there is also good will, salvation army and consignment shops a plenty to buy clothes..

      Some dentist offices work with you to pay for dental needs, and SOME churches have ministries that may be able to assist in certain emergencies. There are even organizations out there that help pay medical bills if neededmany hospitals even have financial assistance IF YOU ASK..

      IF you can find a reliable and trust worthy mechanic they too can work our payments for work on your vehicle..ours has done work on our vehicle and worked out payment schedules with us before the work was done.

      While many of the organizations locally require proof of certain hardships..some folks do not want to provide those thingsthey just want them to take their word for it..sorry folks many have been taken advantage of in the past..so now they keep track of who they help and how often..but the reasons they do so, are NOT just to keep track of those trying to scam the system, but because they have various events throughout the year that they will call and let them know about. Like for instance, if they come for help in August or Sept for food assistance, they call them in Nov. to see if they might need help providing a Thanksgiving meal, and they let them know of events around the county where they have people donate their time for free haircuts and manicures, handing out clothes, food, have various employment and other assistance programs there to help those in need..

      one organization even has people who donate homes for rent, BUT they have to agree to the terms of meeting with volunteer financial advisers to help get them back on their feet, they even provide furniture for the rentals, and other such things..You just need to know WHERE to look for help..

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    • Paul LJ Catlow

      and eleven of those apply in Britain too.

      For now we get healthcare free at the point of our need. (The vast majority of us still have to pay money we cant afford for even basic dentistry). But our right does not like the NHS.


    • elizabee

      I have no criminal record and no student loan debts, yet I didnt qualify for any type of loan…weird.


    • Russell Hanson

      If you are working poor, and republican you are also a sucker. Did you chose at some point to be a republican or s Christian or were you born that way? Maybe time to think about change.


      • Amanda

        Why? Id like to know what you think a republicans wants out of a government and what a liberal wants? Because depending on the issues you can be both. Just because a person has money and are backed by big corporations doesnt mean they prefer a republican government. The same goes for someone stuggling to pay bills or have gotten sick, it doesnt mean they expect the government to take care of them.


    • April Szwajkowski

      thats exactly what happened to me. My 25 year old husband passed away 9 years ago while i was pregnant with our youngest child. Thankfully, he worked hard as hell and my children receive a decent amount from his death from Social Security but its still hard. I have had to work off and on to supplement that…Ive been there to where its either pay one bill or feed my kids. Now im working to start my own business because even though i have several years experience in various fields, BECAUSE of that experience, i cant get hired because they think im going to want a crap ton of money…I just want to be able to be comfortable. While my bills are paid thanks to the money Cameron was able to leave us, There ARE times that i struggle really hard. The struggle is absolutely real.


    • Andy

      are you serious? you americans dont know what POOR even means…take away any check, foodstamps etc, then you will know what poor means. poor means hoping for something, even a piece of old bread every 3 or 4 days


    • Gerald Brienza

      Me too.


    • Rachel

      And the majority of conservatives are anti-abortion and/or anti birth control. Backwards, backwards, backwards.


    • Geraldine McBarker

      Why are you a Republican?


    • TexMum

      So many struggles of the Poor are because its hard to support children, especially if you are young and on your own without a lot of education, not that things are much better for couples. Yet the current regime doesnt seem to support any methods of birth control. Folks rally to Save the Unborn, but when the children arrive, backs are turned. Oh, for someone who could write a poignant song, chronicling this. People who live with troubles, mature earlier.


      • Smalldeer

        The reason for this is that if you are too busy just trying to survive you arent paying attention to what THEY are doing.


        • TexMum

          Yep. If decent public transport development was a high priority in this nation, it would cut down on folks having to own a car or two which is often a massive debt. Good city planning think of the early 1900s with homes outside of the cities, with good transport, with decent jobs (because most industry was local), and for our great-grandparents, it was the American Dream. Im voting for whoever supports Infrastructure since job growth will be there. As for getting the funds, we should tax Industry who in the long run has profited handsomely.


    • Elfwitch

      And what if you cant do the job because you lack the physical ability to do so? You also realize if everyone looking for a job headed to South Dakota then there would not be enough work and with a glut of choice for employees wages would fall.

      I get so tired of people who cant think logically.


    • Jamie Quinones

      Oh the dental struggle. I can relate to that. For the life of me I can not get a straight answer as to why dental is considered as separate from medical in medicare and most insurance policies. Isnt oral health a major issue regarding your overall health? Isnt the mouth a part of the body? The reason it is considered different and they convolute the issue is so they can suck every damn dime they can out of you.


    • jim Whitson

      Giving charity at Christmas or once a year is like feeding a farrow cat once a year it does not really help the cat It just prolongs its misery, We need answers too these problems just because Republicans give more charity than Democrats does not solve any problems.


    • SMHAmzd

      # 13. Keeping fuel in the car

      #14. Paying for medical prescriptions that insurance no longer will cover.


    • w. van

      Just putting this out there because im a mom that has to make her budget stretch pretty far. Every week RiteAid , CVS or Walgreens has hygiene products for free or very close to free. Use coupons sent via the mail , get the items and stock up ! Today alone I got 4 bottles of Irish Spring body wash that cost .50 ea. Feminine products can come in at a almost free price as well. And in the month of Aug there are lots of coupons for school supplies that can make most of those free. Takes a lil effort but it can be done. Good luck peoples!


    • Andy Wallace

      I am reading this and suddenly hit at the end with..oh, and by the way, conservatives are *@#$s. Here is what I am thinking about the poor, because, I am more than broke myself. #1 I wasnt insane enough to go out and have kids I could not afford to raise properly, or healthy, or at all. Having kids is a choice, because having sex to produce them is. #2 I live as cheaply as I can, renting cheap rooms and living as below my means as possible so I am not a burden on others. I do not take food stamps, welfare, unemployment, or any of that crap because I am a responsible adult and I accept my own circumstances and work through them. When I have had extra, I have lent it to friends, and at times have had to ask for help. I could qualify for help, but I will NEVER take it. Everything I have is 2nd or 3rd generation because it needs to be or I do not need it. #3 I work my ass off at more than just a single job because that is what it takes. Many poor people work a job or two, and then they do nothing to improve themselves so they might be able to generate more or get a better job. Just cause you work 40-60 hours a week does not entitle you to ANYTHING but the paycheck you agreed to take when you took the job. Poor people are also poor because they refuse to learn about money, how to manage it, and refuse to discipline themselves not to spend it. All this fatalistic talk of running out of money falls a bit short when they are buying starbucks, have cable tv, and eat out…ever. Or even have a data plan on their phone. Or have a cell phone at all.

      Point being. I totally agree that these struggles are real. They are also 99% due to life choices catching up to you. If you get help, more power to ya. If I knew you I would help with whatever I could. I have been on both ends of that conversation. If you do not start thinking long term, do with less sleep, learn how to learn and grow to change your own circumstances, then expect to live on nearly nothing forever. That is reality. No one is entitled to anything, ever, from anyone. Period.


    • Millicent B Accardi

      Everything is more expensive for the poor. They pay more taxes, more for groceries and banking, medical care, rent. As one example: cars. Someone with a job and good credit can afford a new car with a payment of $100-200 a month, a car that probably wont cost anything in repairs for 5-10 years (outside of oil or brakes). Whereas someone who is poor, may get a deal on a clunker for a few hundred or 3K but, every week, they face the possibility of expensive repairs. They run the risk of accidents, being stranded, or having to pay for towing. Even a decent clunker can run 5K a year on repairs.


    • rosross

      The tragic irony of such poverty, the worst of any developed nation because there is no adequate social welfare safety net; no universal quality free education; no universal free healthcare, and in the nation which claims to be the richest.


    • Cece2010

      For a while, my parents maintained that if you worked hard, you could provide for your family at any job. (They had their struggle being a dual military family for many years but now are quite successful as special forces turned lawyer and enlisted turned doctor.)
      But then we looked at the numbers.
      And my mom was shocked. She was absolutely blown away by how little the average person makes in relation to what it costs to raise a family each year. We worked the numbers and on the average persons salary (provided you live in a low COL area) pays for a terrible place to live, maybe enough food to eat, and possibly gas to get you to work. But really not much else. Medical insurance, dental insurance and so much more is completely out of reach, regardless of how hard you work. And what she would consider the smallest bill of inconvenience busts their budget. And forget going back to school to find a better job because, how? That costs so much more money and time than most of america has. And daycare? Yeah, forget about it.
      The people who think that the poor have it easy because they have someone else paying their way are RIDICULOUS. We help those people out because without it, they would literally die. Children would starve or freeze and even more slum lords would pop up. Not exactly my idea of what America should be.


    • Jenn Ramme

      Being one whom this article applies to, I almost cried while reading. This is truth written here. And you know what occurred to me? Being in the position, I am unavoidably setting my children up to have eating disorders. I dont care if you like it or want it or are full; clean your plate because we can NOT afford to throw any food away. *depressed*


    • MilwGuy

      No. 13: The Pay numbers 1-12 plus child support struggle.


    • athynz1

      How many screen names do you have? And your source is the political website of a democrat senator could you be more biased please?

      Again you simply do not get it BOTH sides obstruct the other. I guess you are unwilling to hear any sort of criticism against your favored party while magnifying the faults of the opposing party. Whatever dude.


    • Amanda

      Pet struggle. I know, we cant afford to feed ourselves let alone a family pet. Its hard to say no to a stray when they are going through the same hardship. Then the vet bill happens and there is no monthly payments allowed. The life of a family member is at stake so you beg borrow and steal so your kids wont have to endure the hardships of life without their confidant.


    • Charlie123

      Why do you vote for politicians who hate you?


    • Amanda

      I agree, but people still have them. Sure in an ideal world only those that could afford pets ( or kids for that matter) would have them, but it doesnt work that way. A lot of things can happen to an owner in a pets life time. I think it is crueler to abandon a older pet to a shelter because I wasnt willing to do everything I could for it. A no kill shelter is not a guarantee of finding a loving home with the financial ability to care for them later in life. Pet ownership is struggle, but we are responsible for it when we decide to care for another life, no matter how long that life is.


    • hahaheather

      If you work at Hardees or any such establishment youre too poor to be a republican.


      • Melissa

        and yet you will vote for them in the hopes that their wealth will make you richer by association.


        • hahaheather

          Thats so depressing.


        • Barbedwire

          Ahhhh… vote for them??? We do not have ANY POOR OR EVEN MIDDLE CLASS running for president, Congress, etc. So, I guess YOU dont vote at all? Currently, there are many multi-millionaires in DC… and the Dems have the largest #.


      • OUR12

        For some strange reason that does not seem to be a deterent for some people.


      • artemis

        But you vote for them anyway because they are on the side of God. And theyre against the freeloader, ghetto queens and thugs, and illegals. The people Fox news demonizes so you dont notice who is really responsible for how hard your life is.


        • Barbedwire

          So TYPICAL the person responsible for how hard your life is…. IS YOU. You libs know nothing but blame someone else for your own decisions/choices, or believe the victimhood ideology so you dont have to take responsibility for your OWN LIFE/FAILURES. Its the EASY way out, without any possibility of change or improvement. THAT is what Libs/Dems are selling…. and the weak, failures buy into it, which keeps them dependent.


          • Brenda Smith

            The lives of 98% of the US population is a lot harder than it should be because of the greed of the top 2% and it is time that we all put an end to it.


            • Barbedwire

              I know many, many people, not the top 2%, who have very good lives, mostly because theyve tried to make smart choices, NOT LIVE BY THEIR EMOTIONS, and do respect whats right. You must really be jealous of those 2% whove for, whatever reason, ARE the 2%. Since you blame them….what do you suggest they do for the 98%????


            • Brenda Smith

              That is very simple. If you have employees pay them a living wage. In 1938 Franklin D Roosevelt started a minimum wage to insure that all working people were paid a decent living wage. Please keep in mind that in that time, most women stayed home with the children, while the man worked. This means the minimum wage was meant to support a family. I am not jealous of anyone that takes advantage of their fellow human, and that is what you are doing when you dont pay a living wage. What you are basically saying is I am jealous I am not a jerk.


            • Barbedwire

              You lib trolls think its simple, blah..blah. Yet, you cannot answer or manage the simplicities of it.

              Who decides what a living wage is? Is it a living wage for an individual, or a family? Isnt that a different thing? Is it a living wage for an educated or non-educated? Who should be in making that decision???

              Actually, before my time, there was a time when women could stay home and mom and dad could support their children. However, homes, vehicles, insurance, groceries, electricity, etc. were not as high. By the time I entered the working world, in the 70s, single women couldnt buy homes, we couldnt afford children as we were starting our careers, and didnt have a child (one child) until we were more financially settled. I DIDNT KNOW ANYONE, MARRIED, WHO DIDNT HAVE 2 WORKING INDIVIDUALS. Since, minimum wage was about less than $2.00/hour….I knew if I had years of necessary career work ahead of me… I also got some higher education. One area I was lucky, my parents were very educational/responsible focused parents, and helped me pay for college. Many didnt have that. And my parents: children of Austrian Immigrants, who came to the U.S. with nothing, one was actually a sort of indentured servant, for his fare over here.

              Things were not easier, they were just different. People have an entitlement mentality these days. As the person in charge of YOU, it is up to YOU, to change your life. Thats not conservative, that is just common sense and TRUTH. No one honesty owes YOU anything.


            • cotty

              see you have it all wrong the problem for to 98 percent is because of the government state and federal making to may regulation both democrats and republicans have made it harder for We The People to get ahead


            • Barbedwire

              Exactly what Im saying…. STOP BLAMING OTHERS. Your 98% comment has NO basis in fact.


          • http://www.uniteblue.org April

            Hey, High & Mighty. Im a proud PROGRESSIVE and I dont think anyone owes me anything. Im not dependent on the government but I definitely dont judge people that need the help. Imagine, if your tiny mind can, a person with a sudden onset of disability. This person fights for years to get SSDI and they are finally approved. Now they get a $1,000.00 check once a month. Guess what? $800.00 is gone because rent isnt free. So, theyre left with $200.00 to survive until the next check rolls around. Imagine how difficult that must be. Do you honestly believe this person failed? YES… Such a shame because anything can happen to anyone at anytime. You reap what you sow.


            • Barbedwire

              Wow…Im called high and mighty simply because I believe in life: we have choices always… as to how we HANDLE/DEAL with what weve been God given/or not. Ever hear of the Serenity Prayer?

              I blame Obama for things hes done, he has the title and IS in charge. But, many of Marys problems/complaints are the results of her choices. Stop blaming the 2%, not all good jobs went over-seas, and this is the U.S.A. where there are so many entitlements/groups and especially charities for help.

              And, as you attack my can do or independent attitude: you should know that I worked for 35 years, with many health issues, due to being a dwarf. I did marry a good man, and weve supported each other $, and one child, as my health couldnt handle more. I tried to apply for disability recently… 3 years to receive a response. That is 3 years with zero income, or they wouldve denied me for certain.

              What I have done… my expenses have never exceeded one of our incomes, we dont do vacations/drink or smoke/I cut my hair/I have always paid cash for a year old or (long time ago) actually bought brandnew (a 1974 Datsun B210 cost me $3,000). When I knew we were settled, we purchased a house WE COULD AFFORD, not what the bank said (one income). When I started out on my own in early 70s, I couldnt afford rent, I always had a roommate. But, one thing I knew could break my bank: no insurance. It was as much a necessity as housing, food, clothing…and I kept those costs down also.

              Just because some people seem to manage doesnt mean crap didnt happen to them. It means, maybe they prepared a little for it, or even if it wasnt anticipated…they found a smarter way through it. It doesnt mean that CRAP NEVER HAPPENED TO THEM. Rain falls in everyones life. Its all in how you handle it. And, old age and real disability ARE two things that can happen…not by choice.


            • Dee Zilske

              I did the same thin in the 1970s. Could you do that in todays economy??? I doubt it.


            • Barbedwire

              Yes. My first salary was $850/month. I believe minimum wage was about $2.00/hour or less. I was working as support for NDSU. The numbers change…the basic VALUES dont.


            • http://www.uniteblue.org April

              Thanks for sharing your testimony. I still think you are arrogant and contemptuous. Its just my opinion which has zero affect on your attitude.


            • Barbedwire

              I see my testimony had no affect on you? Talk about arrogant YOU think YOU should convince me how, ???? that lib ideology is somehow better??? Im a conservative, and the facts or values havent changed; because people still havent changed.


            • http://www.uniteblue.org April

              I dont live my life as a Democrat or a Republican. I am not a political party.
              Furthermore, I have no desire to convince you of anything. As I said, I am simply stating my opinion. I didnt expect it to change your heart or your mind.


            • Mary Winston Provance

              Hmmm, you called yourself a Dwarf I dont know about anyone else, but Ive never met a little person who calls themselves that. Im responsible for my choices, you bet I am. I also pay my taxes. work full time and have good benefits. (Now) But hey, when I didnt, SNAP was there and so was Badgercare for my kids. I never applied for, nor received TANF. But you keep on deluding yourself- my Autistic son (oh hey, that happened it wasnt my choice! Imagine that!) still has SSDI and medicare- knows better than you do the reality of living poor and once again I will tell you- frak you, and really please, go eat a box of rocks. Or as my son says, hey why dont you go eat a big bag of dicks instead of trolling websites? Youll accomplish more!


            • Barbedwire

              Wow!! Met a lot of dwarfs before?? Little people?? I used the medical term, and as I thought we were discussing crosses we carry or difficulties, I mentioned something that has caused me, and now more than ever in old age; a great deal of pain.

              You apparently, blame and want pity for having a son with autism. I mentioned my ADHD son… to which YOU felt nothing?? Due to my medical problems and one son…. I a CHOSE not to have more children. And, knowing what I was dealing with as a youth… I made a choice to get educated, in order to have a career, using my brain and not my size.

              Im not holier than thou, or have no pity for people experiencing bad times. But, no one lives a life in the sun… we all experience rain and storms, sorrow, struggle. But, WE ALL HAVE THE CHOICE in how to handle what weve been given. If you needed help?? fine… taxpayers in the U.S. are a great group of people. I just dont believe in always blaming someone else; and the HATE is certainly coming from your end, and I guess youre teaching your son the same? And I dont troll websites. I read and discuss, and respond, as you do. And, Im JUST RESPONDING TO YOU, as apparently, you wish to continue.


            • cotty

              this is totally different the someone wh o is healthy and dont need qualify for SSDI which is by the way government benefit and not ssi which pays according to the amount of work you have done until you where disabled but it you are disabled you should qualify for these benefits but if you are not disabled then you should do everything in your power to get up and get a job and not have to be dependent on the government


            • http://www.uniteblue.org April

              Thank you for your enlightened response. In my profession, Im extremely familiar with how this works. I also see hundreds of people looking for work, weekly. I live in a fairly small town. Do you realize people are actually trying? Does that ever come into play or is it ignored because it doesnt fit the narrative? Yes, TANF is being abused by many people. Thats common sense. However, not everyone is laying back taking advantage of the few hundred dollars the government gives them each month. You cant dispute that reality. I know that some people feel better when they have people to look down on. Im just glad Im not one of those people.


            • http://www.uniteblue.org April

              By the way, SSDI goes by your lifetime work, or work credits. SSI is the subsidy. If your work credits do not equal the minimum amount ($733.00 monthly), you will receive SSI to make up the difference. Just wanted to make sure the correct information was posted.


            • Barbedwire

              Focus… I believe our taxes are necessary for benefits to the elderly and disabled. However, do some research: with births to poor single mothers going from 25% to 75% in 50 years… has nothing to do with disability or old age. These women choose, to have children for the benefits (as much as a $50,000/year job in some states). Without children… theyd have to support themselves!!! OMG. Many dont even know who the daddy is, more than one for their children, and just because they dont need them for financial support…. those children suffer because they are brought into the world, for the wrong reasons, to an unstable home, without a father; and BY ALL STATS those issues create MORE OF THE SAME PROBLEMS.

              The REAL crisis here IS THESE CHILDREN DONT HAVE A CHANCE.


          • Jeremiah Fishburn

            So when the punk bike theft ring leaders arsonist friend decides to poke a hole in 2 of your tires to intimidate you due to the fact that you happened to see him start a fire and he wants to make sure you dont do your duty to your nation and community by testifying against him, the cost of said new tires is your fault? And when you get demoted at work because your performance is low due to to exhaustion from staying up all night to watch for this individual to make sure hes not coming to hurt your family in the night, the lower wages are your fault? Granted, in that situation, they are, to a degree. But whats the alternative? Go to sleep knowing that an arsonist is running around and might retaliate further by setting your home on fire while you sleep? Potentially killing you and your children, or just taking away everything youve worked so hard for? What you need to realize, barbedwire, is that yes, there are those that abuse the system of aid made available in our nation. That doesnt mean that all of them do, nor does that mean that all of them can even help their situation. Some people, no matter how hard they work, or how hard they try, or how much they budget and scrimp and save, cannot find a way out of their crap station in life. Because its usually more than just YOU, there are many more variables than just oneself involved in any individual life. This nation was founded on principles of community, of helping one another, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, not so we can crap on them for or tell them they should try harder and make better choices, but so that we can lift them up, to a higher standard of living. You are making a fine example of the drive toward a total breakdown of the spirit of community that is sweeping this nation. Just because there are a few who abuse the system and those few are sensationalized does not mean we should shame others who need the system or get rid of the system, as MOST conservatives would like to see. Notice how I said most, not all. Instead of saying well I did it this way, and I made these choices (not a direct quote, just paraphrasing) offer unbiased wisdom, or anecdotes from your own experiences that could aid those that actually want help out their hole. And stop shaming entitlements, thats part of the foundation of this country, helping those who cannot currently, or possibly ever, help themselves, for the sake of community. Instead of blaming and shaming the system, find ways of improving it. Its what any good person should do. End rant.


          • Jeremiah Fishburn

            So when the punk bike theft ring leaders arsonist friend decides to poke a hole in 2 of your tires to intimidate you due to the fact that you happened to see him start a fire and he wants to make sure you dont do your duty to your nation and community by testifying against him, the cost of said new tires is your fault? And when you get demoted at work because your performance is low due to to exhaustion from staying up all night to watch for this individual to make sure hes not coming to hurt your family in the night, the lower wages are your fault? Granted, in that situation, they are, to a degree. But whats the alternative? Go to sleep knowing that an arsonist is running around and might retaliate further by setting your home on fire while you sleep? Potentially killing you and your children, or just taking away everything youve worked so hard for? What you need to realize, barbedwire, is that yes, there are those that abuse the system of aid made available in our nation. That doesnt mean that all of them do, nor does that mean that all of them can even help their situation. Some people, no matter how hard they work, or how hard they try, or how much they budget and scrimp and save, cannot find a way out of their crap station in life. Because its usually more than just YOU, there are many more variables than just oneself involved in any individual life. This nation was founded on principles of community, of helping one another, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, not so we can crap on them for being in said state or tell them they should try harder and make better choices, but so that we can lift them up, to a higher standard of living. You are making a fine example of the drive toward a total breakdown of the spirit of community that is sweeping this nation. Just because there are a few who abuse the system and those few are sensationalized does not mean we should shame others who need the system or get rid of the system, as MOST conservatives would like to see. Notice how I said most, not all. Instead of saying well I did it this way, and I made these choices (not a direct quote, just paraphrasing) offer unbiased wisdom, or anecdotes from your own experiences that could aid those that actually want help out their hole. And stop shaming entitlements, thats part of the foundation of this country, helping those who cannot currently, or possibly ever, help themselves, for the sake of community. Instead of blaming and shaming the system, find ways of improving it. Its what any good person should do. End rant.


        • Jacqueline Jentz

          But thats not true either,Im on assistance and love and adore my lord and savior! God bless you! Always! :)


      • ThatOtherOne

        It never ceases to amaze me when I see a car thats older than the hills, held together with duct tape and baling wire, plastered with Republican stickers.

        I have to just shake my head in disbelief. I dont get it. Is hating other people (people mostly just like you!) really THAT MUCH more important than your own well-being? Sad, really.


      • ohknowyoudidnt

        Youre not too poor to be a Republican, you dont have time to research the issues, or you just dont like a Black President.


      • Mika

        Actually, 90% of those people you describe??? ARE REPUBLICANS cuz theyve been brainwashed that them being poor is someone elses fault.


    • the dragon

      Who wrote this crap and why didnt someone proofread it before publishing? It makes sense, but it would make more sense if it were grammatically correct. I found three errors before I finished number 11 and I wasnt even looking.


    • Zoe Kaftan

      So much yes. People sometimes forget that surviving is NOT the American Dream. Thriving is. Living COMFORTABLY. You know, not needing wonder if youll become poor forever just because of one accident or unfortunate industry move (a la the stock market and housing bubble).


    • Melodie Kraft Ashley

      And yet, even the poorest American still has access to clean drinking water. And library wifi. I have been in those shoes of no-money-for-toilet-paper-or-tampons-crying-my-eyes-out and eating-beans-for-a-week, and I was grateful that (at least) I had water. And books. Because some (many) people in the world dont. <3


    • applepie

      Republicans did not create the poor. Neither does democrats support the poor. If they did they would not be so rich going on lavish vacations.


    • applepie

      Maybe we all rich , poor need to remember where it all comes from in the first place. God! Give Him thanks for our everything. Maybe, we are not in control except to give what we can. I have never been able to out give God in giving to others. He always gives back more than I can give. Just a thought.


    • Lewis Johnson

      I agree completely with the thrust of your comments, but disagree strongly with the education part. Almost everything that humans do, they have been doing for a very long time…without higher education. Why then, is it suddenly a necessity? Mind you, I absolutely love learning and some of the best learning that I did, after childhood, was in college. But if it came down to a community surviving through the winter, what I learned from my parents and the neighbors would have been much more useful!
      Why, pray tell, do we value a diploma so much more than ability?


    • Jen

      Maybe when they had the kids, they could afford them, and then fell on hard times? Have much compassion?


    • MizMi

      This list made me laugh and cry. Ive lived through most of these struggles at some pointnot because I love being poor but because I once lived comfortably until I got both injured and sick. Suddenly, time made me appreciate what I once had: things like stability cant be brought in a store. But Ive had them all except #12 because in my state, getting a drivers license will cost you at least $400 and car insurance is astronomical (around $350 a month for rookie drivers). Way to keep the poor under water.


    • SS238

      I work and Im not poor. But I struggle with these same things. Its called life.


    • Mark7Seven

      Live within your means, stay in school, get educated in a field that
      allows you to live the lifestyle you want, dont have kids you cant
      afford and marry wisely.

      Lessons Ive learned in 56 years of life while being both rich and poor.


      • Carol Bainbridge

        Your right Mark7Seven beecause that was what my parents told me when I was young. Glad I listened to them because it made my life a little bit more comfortable.


    • Sam

      From a Left-wing site, thats a very assumptive and misogynistic thing to say to someone. I grew up in a house where my mother was the breadwinner and both parents vote GOP


    • Sam

      Your assumption that it is just a Republican created problem is very short sighted. We are bankrupt as a country and it isnt getting better. The reason the corporations call the shots is that they pay the campaign bills and hold all the debt we keep racking up because both major parties refuse to make tough decisions. They wont make the tough decisions the author of this article complains of having to make each and every month


      • Toni Parks

        We are bankrupt because of the Republican war machine!


    • James

      Dont forget the rules at the Hospitals ! Kids under 16 have to have FAMILY OR GUARDIAN there with them 24/7 or they call Child Services ! Or the Drugs Laws that will put you in Jail if you save any Medications the kids dont take or dont work (which you paid for) even Antibiotics. Just putting the last few pills from an old prescription into a new refilled bottle can put you in court for having to many pills in one bottle ! Its a full out attack 24/7 on the poor


      • Sam

        So the ACA, which was passed without one single republican vote, didnt fix this assault on the poor? Hmmmm, I thought the GOP was the party that hated the poor. Reality doesnt fit the narrative sometimes does it?


        • James

          No State and Hospital Laws. maybe Liability Insurance Rules !! That has been the rules from the 1980s


    • Valerie

      My husband and I have been poverty stricken for over 7 years. We both worked and went to school to better ourselves. We got business degrees and still make $10 and $13 an hour. So both of us still only make about $35k COMBINED. If we each made that, we would be much happier. Were on medi-cal because we dont have employer insurance. This country is disgusting.


    • http://therionorteline.com/ Michael Smith

      Wow, I so agree with the weapons grade stupid.

      Except for the fact that we have had a war on poverty for 50 years and it looks like poverty won.

      I get so tired of being accused of not caring about my fellow man and as a classical liberal with libertarian/objectivist leanings, I get that a lot.

      But Ive lived a life of independence and hard work to get to where I am. Some are familiar with my story of growing up poor in rural north Mississippi, a child of hard working, God fearing parents and part of my mothers extended family, the grandchild of grandparents that I revere to this day.

      When you grow up with little, you come to appreciate the simple things and you treasure everything you earn whether it is money, praise or status the blood, sweat and tears that these things cost cause them to have special meaning. To me these are more than trophies or totems, they are the building blocks of who I am.

      When I was growing up, we were trained not to waste a single thing. I can remember how my grandmother recycled every scrap of cloth, saving up enough to piece them together into beautiful quilts. What people with money saw as something to discard, she saw as something that would be useful…and beautiful. Her hand stitching was as perfect as any Singer machine (she hat one of those old foot pedal powered ones) and I can still recognize her work by the characteristic exactness of it and the hand embroidery work that she was so proficient at. Many of these works of art were given to families who had even less than we had.

      Through acts of kindness like this, my mother and grandmother taught me kindness and Christian charity.

      But it is in my nature to also abhor waste and frivolous, cavalier attitudes toward money and wealth.

      I guess that is from whence comes my distaste for big government and the welfare state that springs forth from it

      I pay taxes a LOT of taxes. My wife and I are fortunate enough to make an upper middle class wage, we have investments, too but we are not wealthy enough to take advantage of a lot of the tax avoidance strategies that the truly rich do and we make too much to qualify for the tax credits, deductions and rebates that those in the lower brackets do. We are stuck in a bracket where our only choices are to pay the federal taxman more money each year than my wife makes at her job or try to defer income if she wasnt bored, we would actually be better off from a tax perspective if she didnt work. We are in the Eloi brackets where the government Morlocks dine on steaks made of our tenderloin and clothe themselves in regalia made from our skins.

      I think it is human nature to be charitable…at least most people I know are of that natural bent. They are good people, all of whom would certainly pull Samaritan like duty if they saw you beaten and in a ditch…but like me, they have witnessed a lot of people in the ditch who have spit on us as we pulled them out and set their feet on the path. We have also grown tired of seeing that same person in the same ditch two days later as we travel by, lying there cursing us because we have the wherewithal to avoid being in that ditch with them.

      I do not begrudge anyone truly in need of my charity. I will give of my time, my talents and my treasure to help them but where I draw the line is when my charity is expected, abused and taken for granted and therein lies my problem with governmental programs designed to hand out my hard earned tax dollars to anyone and everyone whether they are in true need or not.

      Welfare should be about ensuring survival, not a guaranteeing a certain standard of living but that is what it has become in America.

      In my lexicon, there are two kinds of poverty absolute and relative.

      Absolute poverty is simply defined as a daily battle for survival I liken this to the poverty in the slums of New Delhi or the outskirts of Bangkok where people live in leaky, one room tin shacks and survive on a bowl of rice a day. Relative poverty is what we have in the US, where poverty is measured as a percentage of the income level this allows us to classify people who possess items that are not essential to survival (i.e. mobile phones, TVs, cars and Playstations) as poor and is not true poverty. Efforts to alleviate relative poverty are nothing more than attempts to provide a certain guaranteed standard of living, not to assure survival.

      The solution to absolute poverty is an educated (not indoctrinated) citizenry possessing real and valuable skills and in a growing, expanding capitalist economy, not government handouts. There is no solution to relative poverty because as the national income rises, so does the poverty line.

      In reality, absolute poverty does not exist in America and relative poverty is not an issue except when it is used by populists and progressives to justify class envy in pursuit of creation of a collectivist state.

      Attempts to spend our way out of relative poverty is nothing but an exercise in wealth redistribution that turns to waste.

      The simple fact is that there are people who need help but they are being obscured by people who cant be helped, dont want to be helped, simply dont deserve help and will even curse you for not helping them more.


    • Serpent

      as for feminine hygiene, a menstrual cup can save you a lot of money in the long run. research them online first (buying online is generally cheaper too). the diva cup is popular but it fits a very specific anatomy so choose something else unless youre absolutely sure. one cup can last 10+ years, totally worth the price :)


    • fewiz

      What a load of BS. Except for #1, almost everyone worries about all those things. And, shes obviously a zealot, which is always boring, and attention starved. Dayum, I bet she sucks the life out of people around her.


    • Michael Johnstone

      Raising the minimum wage historically doesnt increase prices on goods. Nice try though.


    • Isis

      Please dont forget the daycare/aftercare struggle for working parents.. 2 kids for me in Miami FL is $860/month without uniforms, field trips, lunch, and their seemingly weekly function requiring something for the parents to provide for each kid in the class. Like a forced pot luck.. & everyone on this feed going off about Reps/Dems.. PEOPLE are who you are talking about. Your neighbors, friends, acquaintances.. Not Rep/Dems.. Just people with opinions. Respect eachother or the point is lost.

      Each serves its purpose. The world cant all be sunshine and roses folks. You gotta have a few rainy days before you can enjoy a field of flowers. ijs.


    • Teleri

      Most of the KIDS of the working poor qualify for Medicaid… & some for food stamps but the process takes up a lot of time. & dont screw up because THAT can really jam up the works… I do remember a lot of this garbage the car thing, ME not going to the dentist & taking old meds, juggling the bills (I was so good at that never got anything turned off even tho I OWED about $10 more a month than I EARNED…) & the bank thing I was good at knowing how long I had till a check cleared (back in the day, a WEEK sometimes) but idiot boy (the now ex-hubby), well.
      I came from a middle-class professional family, & have 2 graduate degrees I solved my little money problem by kicking the alcoholic to the curb. But most of these families do not have the resources I had. BTW I just retired from DSS after 24 years in the field (in NY & NC) so Ive got experience from both sides.
      It is just criminal what we do to these CHILDREN & to families who want to work and to pay their own way, but simply do not have the resources available (ie, child care, decent jobs available, public transportation, affordable health care).


    • Guest

      So many spelling and grammar errorss that I stopped reading at #8. Im not really one to criticize the spelling and grammar of commentators in the comments section but if youre going to publish something intended to be taken seriously you should probably edit what you post before you post it. Even reading what you wrote before publishing it will make you spot errors like too much month at the end of.


    • Guest

      So many spelling and grammar errors that I stopped reading at #8.
      Im not really one to criticize the spelling and grammar of commentators
      in the comments section but if youre going to publish something
      intended to be taken seriously you should probably edit what you post
      before you post it. Even reading what you wrote before publishing it
      will make you spot errors like too much month at the end of.


    • Guest

      So many spelling and grammar errorss that I stopped reading at #8. Im not really one to criticize the spelling and grammar of commentators in the comments section but if youre going to publish something intended to be taken seriously you should probably edit what you post
      before you post it. Even reading what you wrote before publishing it will make you spot errors like too much month at the end of. The worst part about it is you probably made some really good points but they took so much effort to read that I just gave up.


    • Guest

      So many spelling and grammar errorss that I stopped reading at #8. Im not really one to criticize the spelling and grammar of commentators in the comments section but if youre going to publish something intended to be taken seriously you should probably edit what you post before
      you post it. Even reading what you wrote before publishing it will make you spot errors like too much month at the end of. The worst part is you probably made some really good points but they took so much effort to read that I just gave up.


    • Miau

      There are so many spelling and grammar errors that I stopped reading at #8. Im not really one to criticize the spelling and grammar of commentators in the comments section but if youre going to publish something intended to be taken seriously you should probably edit what you post before you post it. Even reading what you wrote before publishing it will make you spot errors like too much month at the end of. The worst part is you probably made some really good points but they took so much effort to read that I just gave up.


      • Carol Bainbridge

        Miau stick to the subject!


    • Lee Bauer

      Oh nice, homophobia just entered the conversation. Guess who is the douche now?


    • bieler

      If youre too stupid to bake a 79-cent box cake, Its a certainty that your position in life is your own fault.


    • Michael Johnstone

      again, raising the minimum wage doesnt historically increase the cost of goods.


    • brittany mathis

      Sounds like some people should have thought about all this before having kids.


    • Leisa

      I didnt realize that this article was not about the struggle of the poor, but how much you hate conservatives. too bad, it had potential.

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    • sherryl

      Republicans are racist?? You have need of true history lesson. Dems against ending slavery Rep. party formed and Lincoln the 1st Rep. President for purpose of ending permanently slavery. KKK Dems started that too. Obama is not of our USA by all he does and says. He has never worked with Congress and is the tyrant you has loyalty to our enemies. Do you see or hear him ? Seems not. Evil. If you want an American President who is Black vote for Ben Carson. Americans have been divided by Obama starting race baiting. But Bi racial population tells us we are Americans period.


    • Andrew

      Just facts. No hate.


    • Andrew

      So they are lazy and let their church make the charitable giving? Does it still count as charity or are they disqualified? What did mICHELLE SAY ABOUT THAT


    • Protagonist

      You can add to the Health and Child Care issue the problems working for temp agencies. Ive seen mothers fired for staying home so they could take their children to the doctor. Ive seen temp workers let go because their cars broke down. Imagine paying minimum wage and being outraged when the jalopy doesnt get them to work on time or doesnt get them to work at all that day. But thats the way it is. Ive worked at jobs where 40% or more of the workers are working for temp agencies, supervisors and managers included. The truth is that the clowns in Washington are clueless, intentionally so in my opinion. Acquainting themselves with reality would jar their universe and make the whoring after corporate interests too unsettling. Much easier to believe and pass on the old bromides and platitudes.


      • Reckless Mediocrity

        Yes, the temp worker problem is a huge one that needs to be addressed. Its Corporate Americas big secret.

        But the feces will hit the fan when these hoards of contingent workers cant purchase cars, homes, or pay their rent.


    • Toni Parks

      Im a Democrat and not a Christian but I am right there with you with my MBA and low paying part-time job. I actually have 5 part-time contract jobs that dont add up to a full time income. This is a sad situation for many Americans who have worked hard to better themselves, just to be stifled by the employers who dont want to hire full time or regular employees so they do not have to provide benefits.


    • Vinyl Scratch

      Youre forgetting the alcohol fund struggle. We cant afford hard liquor which is the worst part.


    • DavidBehar

      Shannon, what a spoiled, entitled little brat you are.


    • Amoment

      I remember a day 24 years ago, shortly after my ex husband left with all the money and the car, that I cried for 2 hours because I didt even have enough money to buy scotch tape for my 1st graders homework project. And a couple months later when I walked in to the towns general assistance to ask for money for soap, shampoo, and tampons, as after the state assistance of $453, I paid my $450 rent and had only $3 left for the month..they gave me $20. Mind you until 2 years before all this I had a good federal job; and left work to care for my 2 children… because my husband wanted to move back to his home state. The next month I returned to the town general assistance office with the same request….and I showed them the receipt of what I had purchased with the $20 from the month before- which they required. I was grilled because of one item….I had purchased musk deodorant…mens deodorant mind you …not womens….because it was buy one get one freeI was getting twice as much without paying more They grilled me asking if I had a man living with me? Why would I buy mens deodorant….? OMG, this time in my life was so overwhelmingly humiliating! Today, I earn over 90k per year, and all my 4 children have graduated, 2 from private school, and have finished or attending college. But this would have been impossible without the support of others, a scholarship (mind you they also tried to say my student aid should count as income even though it was to pay for school and for daycare), and so much hard work. The system is built to keep you down; and needs to be changed in so many ways. Firstly, treat everyone like they matter and deserve basics, secondly treat everyone with tenderness and look for their potential. Welfare is needed in this country. No ONE should ever have to beg or be humiliated because they dont have money for TAMPONS!!!!!


    • Mary Winston Provance

      Every single thing you said up until that last bit rocks. I simply dont understand how you can in good conscience be a member of the Republican Party and vote against your own interests, first as a woman, and second as a member of the working poor. What do they do for you? Is because they are so called Pro Choice (they arent, they are pro birth) and as a Christian you must support the party that espouses this view? What is it that makes you a Republican?


    • Carol Bainbridge

      This is why some I know who dont have professional high income jobs or who are married with two low income jobs decide not to get pregnant in the first place. ((Does free contraception and following the directions in how to use it correctly ring a bell concerning those who cant afford to have children and even sterilized before or after the first child would be better)) Its always better to think first before one decides to get pregnant or how many children one can afford. My husband and I didnt have any children until we were able to afford them. We had only 2 children because that was all we could afford to take care of properly & comfortably.We new ones that had 3,4, and five children with usually one more on the way that had it so very rough because they couldnt afford what they had already.


    • Carol Bainbridge

      (((confused is right!)))


    • Carol Bainbridge

      There are some commenters that cant stick to the subject of this because this post isnt about correcting or commenting on others SPELLING ERRORS because it isnt a online spelling bee!


    • Bratista

      They forgot crushing credit card debt. Because your family needs groceries and there needs to be gas in the car, but your money already went to bills (including the credit cards!)


    • Mika

      BULLSHIT!!!!! Working in healthcare I can tell you NO POOR PERSON GOES WITHOUT MEDICAL CARE EVER. They use the ER exclusively, and we see them EVERY SINGLE DAY. They come for tylenol for that fever. They come for the ear infection. THEY COME FOR DENTAL PAIN. Do a little research. They all have food stamps and most of them have medicaid. The ones who dont, do NOT go without medical care they JUST DONT PAY. They all have Gucci knock off purses, IPhones and fancy computer games for their kids. I see it every single day and THEN they have the gall to ask at the hospitals for FREEBIES. Can I have a sandwich, Can I get a soda, Can you fill this prescription for free? GIMME A BREAK. TRY NOT PAYING YOUR IpHONE BILL FOR A MONTH. Theyll get ZERO sympathy from me. I AM PAYING FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE.


    • truefacts2

      You are incorrect. Republicans do not hate the poor. Many poor people are Republicans and I am one of them. Republicans want to get the poor off assistance and enable them to support themselves. In other words they want to free the slaves to entitlements. The Democrats want to give the poor just enough (actually, not even enough as is shown by this article) to keep them coming back to the government for assistance. I have personally suffered every one of those struggles throughout my lifetime but I never stopped trying to better myself and I never got a handout from government.


    • Ed

      HeartBreaking,,,But Then, I remembered, Ill just close my eyes real tight and wish I could be lucky enough to work harder and be Blessed to move, live and shop in a wealthy neighborhood where I dont even have to see those slackers and deadbeats, broken down homeless and their filthy kids, If Im Blessed? Remember, Poor People have Poor ways? They can blame themselves for voting for Reagan and giving out tax breaks and corporate welfare to the lucky ones who keep being blessed. Their just better and deserve Prosperity and I dont because I havent worked had enough and pray e d h a r d e n o u g h? ? ? Lord Please Protect us from the Fox Christians, Crushing those who You say in Your word You care most for, The Least of These? Do you Lord or Not? Just a little help Lord, in the way of affordable healthcare and contraception maybe? Throw some Blessings our way Lord we Pray. Because most churches now cant keep up w Crony Conservatism beating us down, and please give us another President wholl finish the work this one started in mending our economy and creating a more level playing field. Amen


    • cotty

      Well Im going to give back ground information and then I am going to say why I am against the welfare state I am a member of the working poor and I am also a product of the welfare state and I see why people think the way they do It is a generational thing where there arent strong families I grew up in public housing and everyone was telling me go to school do good and you will succeed. Yet my mother didnt work and my father was disable due injury they were both drug addicts and neither one of them did anything to make our life better because of this I had to struggle to do for myself I had to make sure that I had clothes and shoes and I was in the streets banging selling drug and all the things that come with that while going to high school and barely passing because I was responsible for a family of 8. we lived in public housing we had free electricity and food stamps and every dollar that came in was going to mostly my parents habits.

      I now see that this was wrong and it is these people that cause most people to talk down about poor people and benefits they receive because most of these people think every one is leaches because they dont really go into our neighborhood and see that for every family that is totally government dependent by choice.

      There is the working poor families who are struggling for there own decisions they got a low paying job yet they got three children without any support for the other parent this is a choice for you to have these kids and then think taxpayers are suppose to support your children there entire life it is not right. It is our own responsibility to take care of our children. It is your responsibility to use the safety net to get to where you are suppose to be you should not be using the safety net as a crutch.

      Im a member of a the working poor I work at a job where I make 10.75 per hour and I have no children Im 32 years old African-American and I dont get any government assistance because I have an apartment I can afford on my own in neighbor that I dont want to live in but chose to so I can afford to pay for myself I have a I child on the way and I looking for job in my degree field so I dont have to be dependent on the government because I am a responsible adult who dont want to be dependant.


    • Duckia

      You are awesome. I have to pick my jaw up off the floor, just as soon as I stop applauding. ::end transmission::


    • Barbedwire

      my contrary opinions??? They are simply contrary to yours and this far left/lib ideology, ONLY. I was starting out and times were very tough, financially; but by all measure…. the economy certainly didnt improve, but my ability to earn $ SHOULD. Ex: How much in savings would you have = not smoking????? Even in health savings??? It IS a CHOICE.

      My son, in Seattle; like many of these lib expensive cities…has an excellent education/job but, rent IS extreme and one-person facilities…well… 2 have always lived cheaper than 1. Actually purchasing a home in that crowded crime-ridden city would be many many years down the road, and probably a wife with a salary. (As was the situation with me, also in the 70s)


    • Barbedwire

      I think Ive been misunderstood… I know being poor sucks, Ive been there, and I know some people experience bad luck…which, by the way, my point; no one gets a free-ride and rain falls on everyone sometime. Ive been there.

      What I have a problem with is the continual blaming (by this new far left, lib focus) of the 2% or the many (and come on, there are many) who abuse the system. Illegals who drop babies in the U.S. in order to collect taxpayer $ due to many many entitlements. Women (and I know some) without a solid home for a child, get pregnant (more than once) and dont consider the father as important, because they get $ from taxpayers. BECAUSE, as were finding out, we cannot afford it and THOSE CHILDREN dont have great odds of being successful.

      Geez, people, nothing is 100% there are exceptions, it can be done; but CHOICES/SMART DECISIONS can INCREASE ODDS. Ex: In the last 50 years, the births to poor single mothers has gone from 25% to 75%!!! Thats not due to mistakes (which have happened since the beginning of man/woman) or lack of contraception, which has improved significantly, and is affordable. ITS THE ENTITLEMENT problem.

      And, I want to thank you for your service. Maybe in your case, can the father take care of children, and some people have other relative support. If you are leaving them with trusted support okay. I was always a working mom, and even in my family; was looked down upon. I had one child, as my health couldnt handle more. But, I also knew mothers, at home, with 5 children… who were very poor mothers. My son got my quality attention/even while we cooked, played legos, read….and his daycare was no different than sending your child to school.


      • Jacqueline Jentz

        God help you!


        • Barbedwire

          I say, thank you, for your prayers. Im not sure though, if youre sincere.


          • Jacqueline Jentz

            Oh I am very sincere! It breaks the lords heart to hear things against your neighbor! Please seek Jesus to help you love and care about your fellow brothers and sisters of the world…in Jesus name I pray fro you and everyone!


            • Barbedwire

              Yes, I believe it goes against Gods wishes to hear people say things against others, like: Im despicable human, arrogant, contemptuous, go eat a box of rocks, an ignorant git, and frack you.

              Those were said to me right here from Mary, Jacqueline, Dee, Robyn….. As I said, I was taught old values by parents (who were children of Austrian immigrants), and they worked for me. If youre happy with your life… youre fine; but you all, like libs of today; always blaming someone else for your life. You all need to help yourself. Im done.


          • Jacqueline Jentz

            Which commandment is the 1st of all? Jesus answered the first is hear O Israel: the lord our god is god alone!Love the lord your god with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind and with all your strength…..the second is this YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF! THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMANDMENTS GREATER THAN THESE!


          • Jacqueline Jentz

            Money is root of all evil! Is more rich in your heart and soul to love thy neighbor as you love thy self!


      • Sophie

        And you are lumping everyone equally when you keep saying that rain falls on everyone sometimes, when in fact some peoples situations are much worse than another person with lifes difficulties. You cant compare someone who is disabled and wheelchair bound, who is single and has to live on SSDI because no one will hire that person and there arent too many legitimate stay at home jobs, to someone like yourself, who despite being dwarfed, is mobile, working a job that pays more than disability probably and has a husband. You are pretty much insulting people when you make it sound like lifes troubles are all equal, and therefore, if you were able to pull yourself by the bootstraps, then gosh darn, everyone should be able to. And if they arent, then it just means they made bad choices so they deserve their lot in life.

        Truly sick of people like you who think it all just comes down to making better choices.


    • Barbedwire

      Yes, I do spout this basic values in real life. Im not cruel… I wont walk up to anyone, for no reason; and judge them. It doesnt benefit them. But, in these discussions, exchange of ideas, Im an older person….and not all people have the benefit of lifes lessons, so I spread them. a good person??? Im human and try…like many.

      Im being attacked here for my values. And its okay…as Ive put myself out there. Theres more than the far left/lib viewpoint, and actually conservatives are the majority. Im actually pretty moderate.

      Ive seen that blaming and not taking responsibility, takes the POWER AND CONTROL out of the individuals hands, and no solutions are possible. Taking responsibility is the first step to change/success. Our country would benefit from more people doing just that.


      • RealityIsNotOptional

        Barb Here is some advice from a conservative, libertarian 1% Realist….Dont blast and blame people for the state of our nation. The real state of the nation is Bankruptcy! The U.S. has been paying off all of its problems with backed by nothing worthless electronic fiat. You are living in the greatest movie set in the history of the world. It is historys greatest scam!….If you find people with good morals, positive attitude and civility consider yourself lucky. The exponential Ponzi wont last much longer….


        • Barbedwire

          You have no idea who youre talking to, or what advice you think youre giving. I am an optimistic realist. I know ALL people have good/bad in them. In the end, the choice is always ours. Gods test, as blessings from the right choice, which is not usually, the easy one. If it was, everyone would do it.


    • Barbedwire

      I wasnt trying to make it alone on minimum wage. Thats the difference today. People think they SHOULD be able to support themselves and children….on minimum wage. Not what it was intended to do. People are paid for the value of their work not need, as we could all CLAIM need for $1 million a year.


      • Mary Winston Provance

        The minimum wage was conceived to be a wage that allows for a person to live comfortably working a forty hour week Guess who said that?


    • disqus_h7uHu0QBqa

      Technology and outsourcing/globalization destroyed our job market, probably for decades. Remember accounting? Used to be offices full of people keeping books. Now its one guy with a computer. The good jobs you worked up to are gone and most of the new jobs created are part time, no benefits, low pay. Since there are no longer enough decent jobs to go round, the jobs we have must pay a living wage.


      • Reckless Mediocrity

        EXACTLY!


    • Anne Markel

      Around Christmas time, everyone at my work place wants to do a Pollyanna, but I dont have any extra money! Embarrassing!


    • don cook

      There are lots of Democrats who are just as bad as the Republicans. Even your precious Obama is a millionaire, and if you think he cares about the working poor youre crazy! Liberals live in a fantasy world!


    • Barbedwire

      Apparently, you arent aware of the millions wealthy individuals, like Romney, etc. give to charity. By the way, the lower 50% of our income bracket pay, on average, 3% in income tax. This is due, in part, to the fact that the bottom bracket gets more in Earned Income Tax $, than they ever pay in. Obama increased the amount, children to be added, and no verification. They get back several thousands without paying in anything. With an $18 Trillion debt not even our wealthiest have enough dollars to support our current govt. Spending too much….is an all around problem.


    • Jacqueline Jentz

      I am a domestic violence single mom of 2 and believe it or not, my church is awesome at helping me and especially my kids,,school supplies,I get all +backpacks and used clothes for cold weather,they give me generous amounts of food from the church pantry ,easter the parishioners actually make basket w homemade chocolate for all the families receiving help from church,they take pretty decent care of my kids on Christmas and so does theyre schools as well for thanksgiving AND Christmas! Believe me I gatta count every penny to pay bills and take care of my lil 1z ,I also receive food stamps (thanks to Obama they actually INCREASED it thank god! You try feeding 3 PPP on 400 a month! Ha! Like we say in new York…. FUHGEDABOUDIT! -_- AND I ADORE when ppl actually complain about us whom need food stamps ect, HEY!! ?? I WORKED PAYING TAXES SINCE I WAS 14,I AM NOW ENTITLED THATS WHYYY THEYRE CALLED ENTITLEMENTS! FOOLS! GO COMPLAIN BOUT REAL PROBS,IT SUCKS BEING ON WELFAFE AND IF YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE ENJOY IT YOUR A IDIOT! SORRY BUT U ARE! YOU TRY IT,THEY PAY ONLY 447.00 FOR MY RENT FOR MY TEANY WEANY APPARTMENT, LIKE I SAID 400 FOR FOOD,AND 180.00 BIWEAKLY TO BUY NECESSITIES SUCH AS CLOTHING DETERGENT,SOAP FOR ME,TEAR FREE FOR MY KIDS,DISHWASHER SOAP,APPARTMENT CLEANING SUPPLIES WHICH WE ALL KNOW ARE EXPENSIVE! KIDS OUT GROW SNEAKERS LIKE EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEYRE 70 EACH CHILD.! HAIRCUTS FOR KIDS,CLOTHES CUZ THEY GROW SPURS ALL THE TIME,AND THE CHURCH CLOTHES ARENT ALWAYS VERY NICE, THANK GOD FOR FREE SCHOOL,LUNCH PROGRAMS! THATS ALMOST 3 DOLLARS A DAY NOW INCASE YOU DONT HAVE CHILDREN!IT WAS 1.5O IN THE 80S WHEN I GREW UP AND IF YOU GOT FREE LUNCH YOUD BE WAY TOO EMBARRESED TO LET YOUR FRIENDS KNOW SMH! PPL NEED TO STOP JUDGUNG OTHERS,YOUR NOT IN MY SHOES,IM NOT IN YOURS,AND HOLY JESUS,MOTHER MARY,AND FATHER GOD LOVES US ALL AND WANTS US TO LOVE AND HELP EACH OTHER,WOULD YOU RATHER LET A FELLOW AMERICAN CHILD OR ADULT STARVE SO YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY MAYBE 3 $ TAX A WEEK? STOP! JUST STOP?! THATS DISGUSTUNG TO BE SO GREEDY! ALLLL THE YEARS I WORKED PAYING TONS OF NY TAX I NEVER ONCE B!TCHED ABOUT IT GOING TO WELFARE! SHAME IF YOU DO,I PRAY YOU NEVER FIND YOURSLEF IN NEED OF THAT BS ASSISTANCE,THE CHURCH HELPS ME MORE THAN THE STATE!!!! GOD BLESS ANY ORGANIZATION WEATHER IT BE ROMAN CATHOLIC (WHICH I PROUDLY AM!) OR JEWISH ORTHODOX ,TO JEHOVAHS WITNESSS THAT GO OUT OF THEYRE WAY TO HELP! SAVED ME AND MY KIDS FROM STARVING TOO MANY TIMES TO COUNT W READY MADE HAM N CHEESE SANDWICHES TOO! THANK GOD FOR THE EMENSE HELP MY HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH PROVIDES! GOD BLESS YOU ALL,EVEN IF YOUR NOT POOR,EVEN MORE SO IF YOUR LIVING RICHLY!(FOR IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO ENTER A NEEDLE THAN A PERSON OF RICHES TO ENTER HEAVEN GREED IS AN AWEFUL TAINTED SIN!) IF YOUR LOADED, U SHOULD TRY ATLEAST TO HELP YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE WORLD STARVING AND HOMELESS! ITS HORRIBLE, TRY STAYING IN A SHELTER,ITS NOT FUN,QUIET SCARY ESPECIALLY IF YOUR ALONE W 2 SMALL KIDS,1 BEING AUTISTIC! PLEASE DO YOUR PART,AND GIVE A LIL TO YOUR LOCAL PLACE OF WORSHIP! GOD WILL SMILE AT THIS! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!! AND GOD BLESS AMERICA,AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WHOM HAS FAUGHT TO HELP US MORE W FS AND ASSISTANCE!


    • Jacqueline Jentz

      Exactly! Or they just believe every word faux news says -_- sad!


    • Jacqueline Jentz

      Just please pray for her soul!god needs to talk to her!


      • Barbedwire

        What do you think God should say to me? That some people are just victims, have no control over their lives, so no responsibility? Or, what I believe…. taking responsibility for our own actions and then making future decisions accordingly, is the right way to live???


    • Jacqueline Jentz

      Amen!


    • Barbedwire

      You were certainly, lucky to have family taking care of your children. I paid for every hour my child was ever away from me. And, none of my business; but most people learn of their spouses abuse after the first child?

      Your emotional gut response certainly takes some of the thought from your response. Im not saying that there arent times when many people need help. Just stop blaming others, for your choices. Some things like an illness, etc…. it wasnt a choice to get it; but it is a choice on how to handle it.

      I had to learn some of these things during a life of health problems. And, my one and only son, brilliant; but ADHD. I read all that I could, went to seminars… and one thing learned… he has his own cross to carry; like all, but how he responded, was his choice. Hes a successful 29 year old Purdue graduate/independent contractor.

      I dont say these things to insult anyone. I just believe in spreading the idea that, no matter what happens; we always have our choices and our power. Victimhood is no way to live.


      • Robyn Ryan

        Why dont we have this discussion with the rich white guys who destroyed our economy and sold off our common wealth? Were fighting over rags and scraps. And they love it.


        • Barbedwire

          Im not aware of any on this discussion and dont know any of those rich white guys. And not sure why I would have a discussion with them… as to WHY THEYRE BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR THEIR FAILURE, OR UNHAPPY LIFE??

          Ive never seen such anger/name calling/attacks from anyone for simply suggesting that we all have choices in our lives. As Ive written several times, we ALL experience rain/difficulty/hardship in our lives. Some make good choices, some do not. And, old values, are still old values hanging around, because our world has changed; but people havent and weaknesses and strengths havent.

          And, my comments of self-responsibility certain got you libs up in a tizzy. I pay taxes and support many programs, that people need throughout their life, especially disability or help for the elderly. As far as when/where to have 3 to 5 children???that IS CHOICE.


          • mojones1

            You are getting a lot of angry comments because of the holier than thou tone you are taking. I am glad that your struggles ended well for you. You dont know the reality of anyones life but your own. I certainly hope that when you were struggling you were shown more kindness and empathy than you are displaying here. It is conservatives like you that give Republicans a bad name and reputation for being selfish and mean.


          • southern feminist

            not in a country that is doing everything it can to reduce womens healthcare. that is NOT a CHOICE that is forced reproduction.


        • Brenda Walters

          Barbedwire, yeah things happen. But WTF can you do once you have the kids and life goes to crap ? I worked 2 jobs, paid taxes 28 years while taking care of 2 sick parents. Personally I havent had time to have kids and wont. But you tea partiers sure will breed.


      • Bmac

        Hey asshole (Baredwire), arent there other Liberal dives you can troll in, instead of harassing and abusing someone who has clearly had a hard time? Your sorry ass will pay the EXACT same in taxes whether SNAP is defunded and welfare removed altogether. Instead of helping the needy, it will just go into the bank accounts of politicians who didnt even earn the money.

        So, in all fairness…..go fuck yourself because clearly…no else is fucking you.


        • Barbedwire

          Wow!!! WHY did you respond here? I was simply having a discussion, and response, as Im currently doing with you. You are typical of the liberals and victimhood ideal who tolerates anything, as long as its promoted by Lib politicians, our lib media, or Hollywood… but God forbid…. someone disagree with YOU or your ideology and wow!!!… You pull out the fowl reality of your personality. Obviously, you are being f…ked and its okay…cause its the best YOU can do.

          Maybe with cuts in spending…. we could lower the deficit or our $18T debt, (something you cant understand, I know).


          • Bmac

            I responded because I was tired of see what you were writing to this person. You werent having a discussion. You were being a bully.


            • Barbedwire

              writing to who? I RESPONDED to several people, who called me names. You were reading??? Or are you the 3rd string?

              bully 1 |boole|noun ( pl. -lies)a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker. (my dictionary)

              So YOU know even less than I thought.


            • Bmac

              LOL wow, you need to take your meds because you cannot even follow the thread youre posting on. Not my problem.

              So I was wrong…youre not a bully…youre a Douche bag. Now, are you going to show off your 13 year old skills and say youre not because, insert definition of Douche bag?

              Sounds about right.


            • Barbedwire

              Follow what thread???

              I was again, as before, responding to a comment made to me. 13-year old skills??? Im a 60+ woman/wife/mother/conservative.

              As I said, you know nothing, and continue to prove it with your comments.


            • Bmac

              Follow what thread??? <- I rest my case.

              “60+ woman” <- Rule #1 NEVER reveal your personal data online.

              And you are proving nothing and that’s fine. I no longer care about your opinion. Good day.


            • milehinancy

              Noone should care about yours not worth anyones time.


            • Bmac

              And yet….here you are responding to me. Clearly, I was worth your time or you would have simply moved on. I am important to you. Just as I predict you will respond back.


            • milehinancy

              I completely agree with Barbedwire and I feel you are the bully and someone who really has nothing at all to contribute but insults. Take your ugliness elsewhere because no one cares what you think because you are obviously having difficulty with your thought process.


        • Darren Hutton

          This country is done till we rid it of these people that are so convinced that their decision making skills and thei greatness is what makes them better than everyone. Eliminate these people and create jobs. Not joking.


        • milehinancy

          Your comment was NOT worth your time and people like you who use fowl language to express a point should not be permitted post and should be removed. You are clueless with what you are saying and you have no way of knowing the situation another poster is in and why they made the decisions they made in life. Take your ugliness out on someone who cares.


          • milehinancy

            Like I said take your insults and hate to a place where you are appreciated it is not here. You overestimate your importance you are not impressing anyone here. Maybe you are a paid poster trying to stir the pot because there was zero value to any of your comments.


            • Carlton McLemore

              Inasmuch as you replied to yourself, I agree.


          • Carlton McLemore

            What is fowl language? Is that how Howard the Duck talks?


      • QuantumVirus

        Why do people think if people succeed its a choice. All we can do is follow the scripts made for us and hope they come out ok.


      • Linda Brattain

        what a saint you are im sure god will reward you appropriatly


        • mojones1

          Lets hope so.


    • Robyn Ryan

      You forgot the lucky 13 if any of the 12 happen, you get booted into the street for not paying your rent/mortgage.


    • TrentC

      I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt. Yes, they do spout this bs in real life.


      • Barbedwire

        You lib trolls just know so much that just isnt true. I answered ugh and you could never fathom, who I am. And, I dont live in the Bible Belt, so you certainly are ignorant and contrary to me… which Ive become accustomed to experiencing, in this lib push.


        • Borzoi

          You come to a liberal website and spout right wing drivel but call everybody else a troll?

          You dont understand how this actually works, do you?


          • Barbedwire

            No, I called Trent a troll. Ive gone to several conservative sites, and theres certainly no shortage of demeaning attacks on right wing nut jobs, etc. Whats your point? Cant handle the opposition?

            How does this actually work??? Actually, I know its simply: libs are tolerant of all failures/sins of all… except for disagreement with their point of view. No tolerance for opposition.


      • southern feminist

        smack in the middle of ala-friggin-bama I completely sympathize!!!!!

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    • Cheese Louis

      What about the university struggle? Or the working poor cant even think about that? :3


    • Barbedwire

      You know nothing of the facts. The lower 50% of taxpayers pay 3% income tax, because many at the bottom receive more EITC/refunds than they EVER pay in. The amounts these wealthy, like Romney, for example, give millions every year to charity.

      This is a problem of jealousy, just thinking the wealthy somehow dont deserve what they have and should be punished. If you really want all to give equally… its the bottom who are giving nothing.

      As Carson explained… as with tithing for organized religion, all could give 10%, and since the poor enjoy the freedoms/rights of this nation, as well as the rich…. all need to have SKIN IN THE GAME.


    • Price Butterworth

      Im compelled to point out how many of these are really about having kids you cant afford. Every time I see a statistic about kids below the poverty line, I just want to scream.


      • southern feminist

        then i hope you support reproductive rights because that is the only way those numbers decrease


        • Price Butterworth

          Absolutely. Why I find the attacks on Planned Parenthood so offensive. Also the media glorifying teen pregnancy as anthing but the life sentence it too often turns out to be for mother and child. And Im old enough to remember my folks arguing when my mom was driving another gf to Mexico…


          • southern feminist

            i couldnt agree more. i begged my dr to tie my tubes when i was 23; they will not do it unless you already have 2+ kids. he told me,its natural for women to want to be mothers. Well i have two, and I wouldnt give them up for anything, but i would still make the choice to have the tubes tied if i could go back. american society loves to proclaim pro-life, but it offers no support system for families and parents. its almost as if you are punished for having them.


    • Jody Spears

      Its not just the poor who have those problems. The bank fees wreak havoc on everyone but the rich. When you are on disability you cant work and being on a fixed income and no. 8 hits, which brings on 7, then comes 3,2,1. You work hard for the majority of your life, get sick and cant work….you do the math.


    • Thomas Zell

      This is a list of twelve things I will not have to worry about in the not too distant future, when I finally get around to doing what I should have done years ago, and commit suicide. My employer will no longer benefit from my subsidized labor, they will be hurt by it more than anyone else. Thats why I am going to do it and no one can talk me out of it. You all want me dead, and youve wanted me dead for years. Poverty wages are just a polite way of telling certain people that they have overtstayed their welcome and need to die before having children. Unlike most people who opt to work hard everyday top support the parasite class, I know what is best for me. I will die soon, and of my own choosing. There are millions like me who need to do the same.


    • milehinancy

      If you were fortunate enough to have family that provided daycare you are ahead of many people in this country. I had a very abusive first marriage and left with 2 children to support on my own and couldnt get food stamps even though I was only working 8 hours per week at minimum wage at the time. I owned a house we bought only a few months earlier so they told me I didnt qualify for any kind of help because of the house. I had no one to babysit so I could work I had to pay for it myself. You find a way when you need to do succeed but it is unfortunately easier for some to just take help instead. My children never had health insurance unless it was provided by employer and I could afford it and they never qualified for Medicaid.


    • matt

      Dont be silly. Poor moochers dont deserve to enjoy things like birthdays and Christmas. If you wanted to enjoy life you would work hard and earn it. Sheesh!


    • rightminded

      You dont have to be working poor to get these. Id bet most people have gone through some period in their lives when they experienced any number of these. The sad part is when you let someone elses opinion of you interfere. Get your clothes at Goodwill. Learn to bake a cake. Betty Crocker is pretty damned easy. Dont have children you cannot afford. Dont make any babies before you have graduated high school, at least, and are married. And if your current job doesnt pay enough, you have options. Stay there and learn, learn, learn, so you can quickly make yourself more valuable to your employer, or to another employer who will pay you more. Or get a second, or third job. Its not rocket surgery, people. God bless.


      • southern feminist

        good will not a prob, bake a cake, simple but having children you cannot afford NO ONE but the wealthy can afford children today daycare alone costs upwards of 600.00 per month, per child (add diapers at home and school, snacks at home and school, well visits, sick visits, health insurance dental vision). Spouses die, spouses leave, spouses lose jobs, children get horrifically ill so that just get a different job mentality is lunacy guess what if your child has cancer, there is NO getting a second job because your child will be considered as having a pre-existing condition and wont be covered for over 6 months (and that is after a remission) at your new job. I will concede that we live in a materialistic society that invades our commutes, our family dinners, our evening at home, the internet and people should not care about those things or put those things before taking care of self and/or family. but i am certainly more offended by the fact that our government raided social security to finance an unnecessary war and then turns around and exclaims that its the old people, the poor, the children, etc that are to blame for our economy.

        and yes, it is flipping rocket surgery, apparently, when people dismiss circumstances and are oblivious to how everything is interconnected.
        1) pay wages have not kept rate with inflation since the 70s. if it had, min wage would be well over the 15.00 per hour that is being asked for today (then guess what, only the very destitute would need government help)
        2) more of your (and mine) tax dollars go to support wealthy billionaires. wal-mart paid NO federal taxes last year. How much did you pay? They refuse to pay a living wage or provide insurance (reducing people to part time allows this) which, AGAIN, takes from the taxpayers pockets to fund the very government programs conservatives complain about.
        3) jobs are sent overseas where small Asian kids put your Apple Iphones together. Even our call centers are outsourcing (though i think we would all be pretty okay if telemarketing ceased as an employment possibility). the jobs that do stay are either specialized or laborious, which both are limiting to most, and unions are frowned upon.

        many conservatives love plugging the good old days when america was great. the fact is, in those days we made things and were unionized (not once has a union EVER sent an americans job overseas but your top 1% does on a daily basis); in those days corporations paid over 20% in income taxes now they pay next to nothing; in those days a year at a prestigious university cost under 5000, and today that might cover a couple of classes (burdening this countrys future with unimaginable debt). In those days, one could graduate high school and be able to land a job that could support self, spouse, and kids and a home, and a car……today a BA (which costs around 35-50K from an in state school) cannot even guarantee that kind of safety net. the fact is the right stopped caring a long time ago about its voting base, you guys just never got the memo. and the dems have gotten almost as bad as they bow to special interests and corps.


      • Reckless Mediocrity

        Why should we have to give up so much in our lives so that the rich can get richer? What are the Wall Street bankers and their PAID politicians giving up?


    • Joseph Urevitch

      Where does this come from? Most of the poor people that I know are republican. The are the gun owning and bible readers. They once were democrats. But morally they can no longer be part of that party.


      • Barbedwire

        I dont know why YOU popped up here; but Ive continually been receiving comments from different individuals… because they are libs and hate my independent conservative point of view. Lifes not easy; but we all have SOME choices, and as someone who is not poor enough to qualify for any welfare…. Im simply low middle class (making too much to qualify)…. IM somehow the enemy of their VICTIMHOOD.

        40 years ago, I was a Dem in ND. It is no longer a U.S. party…. with our socialist and far left progressive candidates running for POTUS 2017. I will elect anyone; but them, as weve seen the destruction of hater Obama, and cant take any more.


        • Reckless Mediocrity

          You havent figured out who the true enemies are.


    • Joseph Urevitch

      Mary, dont let everyone get to you. You know what you had to do. I became a single dad when my wife died. It was a struggle. I got liheap. We would have froze to death without it.


    • Nofxchic41

      I unfortunately am a single mother to a child with special needs, I do not get child support, I have extra things I need to buy for my son food wise and toiletries of sorts. I was denied assistance when I barely made above minimum wage, it just depends on the state and the county, I unfortunately had to quit my job bc of the shift change which I advised my boss above would not work for my sons caregiver well he did not care. Im on assistance now and I cant complain bc I appreciate the help but really isnt that much. I look forward to going back to school after winter here in Michigan. The system for assistance issued very corrupt on how they choose, but again I cant complain bc I do appreciate everything I get and do not look to be on assistance forever.


      • southern feminist

        stay strong. keep your chin up. vote progressive. it will get better if we take back what was taken from us…..just a side note if churches had to partake in the taxes that all of us had to pay, child hunger would be abolished in this country. conservatives will never attempt to make them pay a moderate dem wont either it has to be a progressive, it has to be a revolutionary.


    • Daniel Carlson

      Theres a bit of a crock of sh%$ in this story. First of all, Im poor (I make about $13,000 a year working full time as a pastor) and Im a Republican. Second, I grew up in a poor family. Mom and dad made about $26,000 a year between them and raised 2 kids in northern Minnesota where property tax is outrageous, gas is expensive, and keeping the house warm is a way of life. Again…Im a republican (I was much wealthier during Bush; Obama has not only turned me into making less than I did when I was a college student, but has caused both of my churches to suffer financially because people cant give as much as they could before).

      Heres the truth of it all, and if you just grasp this, youll see…

      Being poor is not a crime, though poor people may commit crimes inasmuch as anyone else.
      Being poor is not necessarily something that hard work will fix, though there are plenty of poor people who dont work hard on purpose.
      Being poor isnt a disease, though many look to the federal government for the cure.

      See, poor people are not only poor in cash but also in spirit. Theyre looking for someone to fix them and their situation. They become jealous of those rich folks who drive around in new cars, own big homes, and seem to have all the free time in the world. That envy of material possessions causes some of them to run to the feds for hand outs (food stamps, free health care, etc.); the sin of envy and greed exist in the rich and poor alike, and the rich do the same things toward those who are richer than them. This is the life we all live.

      Now some of us poor actually dont have a choice; we need the few dollars a month extra for food, but not all poor are righteously poor. Some who are poor play the victim card and feel entitled to everything they can get their greedy hands on, why? Because they think that if they can own that fancy car, that big screen TV, and have access to all the food and healthcare they want, that theyd be like those rich whom they so envy. Its a lie!

      Us republicans, rich or poor, do NOT get upset at the poor in general. We get upset at those who use their poverty as a way to steal, rob, and fill their greedy stomachs. Just as poor democrats get upset at the rich who use their wealth for selfish reasons, we republicans get just as upset at the poor who use poverty to do the same.

      My church runs a food pantry. Some of these folks come driving in with brand-new cars. When we interview them, they say that the dont have jobs. They get $300+ a month in food stamps and Social Security income. Theyre not disabled. And I feel so horrible giving them food because I know they are hitting EVERY pantry in town and their own pantries are full. Ive seen some throw food out as they drive away in their fancy cars or SUVs. But because of government regulation, I HAVE to give them food the USDA wont allow us to say no.

      Poor people, do you realize that if we could fix the entitlement system and only allow those entitlements to be given out to those who actually need it (the righteously poor), that thered be a whole lot more to go around, and the opportunities to get out of your poor condition would increase? Thats what I want! I want opportunity, not more entitlements.

      The truth is that the democrats are going to keep pandering to the poor, making promises that they cant or wont keep, and the unrighteous poor will keep voting for them because then they can keep on keepin on. But you and I, the righteous poor, we know better. See, the government in our nation is not designed to be the hero to the poor (or anyone for that matter). We have all placed way TOO much of our freedoms into the hands of the government because we keep thinking like our ancestors that were subjects of the king. But were not!

      Theres nothing wrong with being poor. My advice is to enjoy life and seek God and His grace whether you be rich OR poor and be content in any situation life finds you in. Life is hard for everyone, not just the poor, only for the poor its hard in a different way. If I could grow up in a poor family, still be poor, and yet be joyful and content, so can you. Yeah I cant wear brand-name jeans or $200 shoes. God forbid that I dont dress like a movie star! But I still have a closet full of clothes that fit, a roof over my head that doesnt leak…much, a car that runs…most of the time, and food on the table. Yeah it may not be something youd find on the Food Network, but its fine. And when I need a few extra bucks, I go out and use my God given gifts (web design) to help a neighbor and make a few bucks. Im a pastor, but Im also a human being and its not stooping too low for me to rake someone elses yard, or fix his car, or troubleshoot his computer, or make a website.

      The first part of the Apostles Creed is about acknowledging all that God gives us, everything from food and family to life and breath. And when we dont acknowledge the gifts He gives, we have a pretty hard time appreciating anything. Then we find ourselves in the gimme more, I deserve more trap, and we sell our decency and humility to the gods of our stomachs. May such never be! Give thanks for all that you DO have and dont begrudge the gifts given.